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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:13 PM   #241
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:55 AM   #242
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Do all NRA shirts come in sleeveless?
I assume he cut the sleeves off so he could flash those monster cannons of his.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:51 AM   #243
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I assume he cut the sleeves off so he could flash those monster cannons of his.
Maybe they suspended him for showing off his guns.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:53 AM   #244
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it isnt even a controversy

we have a right to bear arms

its not anything like drugs or alcohol or sexual stuff
We have a right to do a lot of things. We don't have the right to do them all at schools, though.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:53 AM   #245
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I assume he cut the sleeves off so he could flash those monster cannons of his.
Duh. He cut of the sleeves because he has the right to bare arms.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:54 AM   #246
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Duh. He cut of the sleeves because he has the right to bare arms.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:56 PM   #247
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:01 AM   #248
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Just skimmed the thread so not sure if this has been said...

A lot of public schools have "zero tolerance" policies that would cover a tshirt with a gun on it, even if the dress code doesn't specifically state it. So simply posting the school's dress code may not tell the entire story.

Yes, zero tolerance rules are stupid.
Want to know why zero tolerance policies are necessary? It's because there is no middle ground with people like you. For example, in this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272768

A kid brings a ****ing shotgun to school, and you still bitch about him getting kicked out of school. Zero tolerance is the end result of people who constantly bump the line...and bump the line...and bump the line. Eventually, authorities have to say, "**** it" and throw common sense out the window. Now, you can't bring a toy gun to school. You can't point your fingers like a gun. You can't bite your sandwich into a gun shape. You can't wear a shirt with a picture of a gun.

There is simply no room for using common sense in judgment, because people like you think that it's just fine and dandy if a kid brings a real gun to school as long as its not loaded...or it is loaded, but he keeps the safety on...or the safety is off but he doesn't pont it at anybody...or he does point it at somebody but not above the waist...or he points it at someone's head but doesn't shoot them...or he does shoot them but only wounds them...
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:34 AM   #249
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Want to know why zero tolerance policies are necessary? It's because there is no middle ground with people like you. For example, in this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272768

A kid brings a ****ing shotgun to school, and you still bitch about him getting kicked out of school. Zero tolerance is the end result of people who constantly bump the line...and bump the line...and bump the line. Eventually, authorities have to say, "**** it" and throw common sense out the window. Now, you can't bring a toy gun to school. You can't point your fingers like a gun. You can't bite your sandwich into a gun shape. You can't wear a shirt with a picture of a gun.

There is simply no room for using common sense in judgment, because people like you think that it's just fine and dandy if a kid brings a real gun to school as long as its not loaded...or it is loaded, but he keeps the safety on...or the safety is off but he doesn't pont it at anybody...or he does point it at somebody but not above the waist...or he points it at someone's head but doesn't shoot them...or he does shoot them but only wounds them...
Good points. Mixing chemicals to create explosions is also ok if no one was hurt and/or you, another student, or a media source says it was an "experiment gone wrong."
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:25 AM   #250
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Want to know why zero tolerance policies are necessary? It's because there is no middle ground with people like you. For example, in this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=272768

A kid brings a ****ing shotgun to school, and you still bitch about him getting kicked out of school. Zero tolerance is the end result of people who constantly bump the line...and bump the line...and bump the line. Eventually, authorities have to say, "**** it" and throw common sense out the window. Now, you can't bring a toy gun to school. You can't point your fingers like a gun. You can't bite your sandwich into a gun shape. You can't wear a shirt with a picture of a gun.

There is simply no room for using common sense in judgment, because people like you think that it's just fine and dandy if a kid brings a real gun to school as long as its not loaded...or it is loaded, but he keeps the safety on...or the safety is off but he doesn't pont it at anybody...or he does point it at somebody but not above the waist...or he points it at someone's head but doesn't shoot them...or he does shoot them but only wounds them...
First off, I didn't say it was ok for a kid to bring a gun to school. I just said that expulsion and a felony charge were excessive.

Second, people like me aren't the reason zero tolerance policies exist. Quite the opposite. It's the people that are incapable of applying common sense to look at things on a case by case basis. For instance, looking at a good student, who had a legitimate (albeit irresponsible) reason for having a shotgun in his vehicle, and deciding that its not on par with someone who brings a gun to school with ill intentions. The people who are incapable of expecting a grade schooler to know the difference between a weapon, and a pop tart bit into the shape of one.

Don't blame me for your inability to apply common sense.
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First off, I didn't say it was ok for a kid to bring a gun to school. I just said that expulsion and a felony charge were excessive.

Second, people like me aren't the reason zero tolerance policies exist. Quite the opposite. It's the people that are incapable of applying common sense to look at things on a case by case basis. For instance, looking at a good student, who had a legitimate (albeit irresponsible) reason for having a shotgun in his vehicle, and deciding that its not on par with someone who brings a gun to school with ill intentions. The people who are incapable of expecting a grade schooler to know the difference between a weapon, and a pop tart bit into the shape of one.

Don't blame me for your inability to apply common sense.
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First off, I didn't say it was ok for a kid to bring a gun to school. I just said that expulsion and a felony charge were excessive.

Second, people like me aren't the reason zero tolerance policies exist. Quite the opposite. It's the people that are incapable of applying common sense to look at things on a case by case basis. For instance, looking at a good student, who had a legitimate (albeit irresponsible) reason for having a shotgun in his vehicle, and deciding that its not on par with someone who brings a gun to school with ill intentions. The people who are incapable of expecting a grade schooler to know the difference between a weapon, and a pop tart bit into the shape of one.

Don't blame me for your inability to apply common sense.
My inability to apply common sense? If you can't get behind a rule that says that kids can't bring guns to school under penalty of expulsion, common sense is gone. That's a pretty easy rule to follow.

If you're so irresponsible that you forget where you left your shotgun, you're too irresponsible to own a gun, and you give responsible gun owners everywhere a bad name.

There are no guns allowed at school. This is a rule. Follow it or don't, but the consequences are perfectly clear, and there is no need for hand-wringing when someone accidentally breaks it. It's no different than accidentally bringing a gun onto an airplane or into a courtroom. This shit doesn't require nuance. It just requires a brain.

The people saying that this is a gray area are no different than the people making rules about not biting pop tarts into gun shapes. You are two sides of the same coin.

One side sees a rule that says "no guns allowed at school under penalty of expulsion" and thinks, "toy guns and fingers pointing like guns and pop tarts bit into gun shapes and drawings of guns are all guns, so we should expel them all".

The other side sees a rule that says "no guns allowed at school under penalty of expulsion" and thinks, "it's okay to bring a gun as long as it was by accident or it wasn't loaded or it was just for show and tell, so these people shouldn't be expelled".

People like me see "no guns allowed at school under penalty of expulsion" and think, "if you bring an actual gun to school, you're expelled". Sorry if that doesn't seem like common sense to you. Keep fighting the good fight and defending irresponsible people who can't keep track of their ****ing shotguns and see what that does for gun rights.
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I think it's fair to say that zero tolerance exists at least in part because there are so few people of either side with great reserves of common sense, and it seems that those who have the least are the ones whose voices are the loudest.
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I think the real message they are sending by terrorizing this kid is this. DO NOT, under any circumstance stand up for yourself or anything that you believe in. YOU MUST listen to authority and do whatever they say and you do it with a smile on your face. Wear a shirt that says stand up for your rights in school? Get the police here NOW.
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I think the real message they are sending by terrorizing this kid is this. DO NOT, under any circumstance stand up for yourself or anything that you believe in. YOU MUST listen to authority and do whatever they say and you do it with a smile on your face. Wear a shirt that says stand up for your rights in school? Get the police here NOW.
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