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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:41 PM   #61
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IIRC, at the time, Flacco was considered a reach.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:42 PM   #62
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JFC, are you really this stupid? Those weren't risky picks. Those were SAFE picks.

The closest comparison I can think of is St. Louis insisting upon using the #1 overall pick on Sam Bradford. The jury is still out on that, but the Rams haven't won dick yet with Bradford.
no, they weren't

and no one on this board wanted them or would have

they are both the ****ing definition of what Chiefs fan define as risky

they sure as hell weren't "Luck or RGIII"...which is the stated reason we couldn't draft a QB this year
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:42 PM   #63
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The great thing about this argument is that the answers will all present themselves in due time.
Absolutely. Although I think this is an interesting discussion. This wasn't just a Rodgers or Brady Quinn situation. This was a guy considered by many a top 10 talent at the prime position that almost fell to mid-2nd round. I can't think of too many times that's happened.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #64
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I am not a Geno Smith fan, but Flacco being drafted at 18 was a reach at the time.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #65
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Yuo live in your own little world dude. You owned nothing but your mother.
hey, i win every time you try to prove some stupid point

this board has been littered with people telling us we can't draft QBs that aren't 'guarantees' like Luck and RGIII


and neither Flacco or Rodgers were...and NO ONE was advocating for them

you're wrong

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Old 05-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #66
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:43 PM   #67
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Flacco in the middle of the 1st wasn't a risk.
Hahaha

The guy transferred to Delaware because he couldn't win the starters job over another guy at Pittsburgh.

I'll give you some time to look up who that quarterback was.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:45 PM   #68
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Absolutely. Although I think this is an interesting discussion. This wasn't just a Rodgers or Brady Quinn situation. This was a guy considered by many a top 10 talent at the prime position that almost fell to mid-2nd round. I can't think of too many times that's happened.
#39 is mid second?

by the definitions used on this board regularly, Flacco and Rodgers were risks
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Absolutely. Although I think this is an interesting discussion. This wasn't just a Rodgers or Brady Quinn situation. This was a guy considered by many a top 10 talent at the prime position that almost fell to mid-2nd round. I can't think of too many times that's happened.



Emotion can blur judgement.


I think that the combination of this being the shittiest year for top 5 drafts picks ever along with us not drafting a 1st roud QB in years pushed people a little further into the emotional realm.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:46 PM   #70
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No, your issue is that "we" pound the table for a quRterback EVERY YEAR until we actually get one. Your kind, on the other hand, wouldn't draft a quarterback early because they text and use twitter.

Do you even watch the NFL besides Chiefs games?

You must not because you love shitty quarterbacks, like Alex Myth.
I would LOVE to draft a franchise QB but unlike you I realize you cant do that when they dont exist in the current draft.

I also understand Reid and Dorsey have absolutely nothing to do with the previous 30 years in KC. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

Those simple facts separates the people with brains from the people who just want something so bad they think they can imagine it into fruition.

Its kind of like having apposable thumbs.... or not.
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Hahaha

The guy transferred to Delaware because he couldn't win the starters job over another guy at Pittsburgh.

I'll give you some time to look up who that quarterback was.
This is going to be an awesome bar trivia question some day.
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Hahaha

The guy transferred to Delaware because he couldn't win the starters job over another guy at Pittsburgh.

I'll give you some time to look up who that quarterback was.
I know who the Qb was, it has nothing to do with the fact Flacco was taken about 15 spots early, thats not a "Risky" move.

A "Risky" move is JaMarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf, Cam Newton (Who hasn't actually won anything yet) etc.....
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QB-hating homers:

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Also, GENO SMITH SUCKS HAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA."
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Hahaha

The guy transferred to Delaware because he couldn't win the starters job over another guy at Pittsburgh.

I'll give you some time to look up who that quarterback was.
So transferring to a different college automatically makes you a risky pick?

Tell that to Troy Aikman and Jeff George. They were both taken with the #1 overall pick despite transferring.

Hahaha
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