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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:59 AM   #196
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Anyone hear that awkward interview between Jayice Pearson and Jason Cole yesterday on the Danny Parkins show? Pearson basically asked Cole what an NFL executive had to gain by making the Geno comments after the draft; saying that the executive should contact Geno with this feedback instead of releasing it to Cole as an anonymous source. Cole said he wasn't "here" to talk about that. Things became a little heated between Parkins and Pearson to the point Parkins apologized to the listeners for the last 30 minutes of radio. Polarizing topic it seems.

Pearson does have a point, it's a very ***** thing to do after the draft.
I'm having a hard time believing the story. There wasn't the slightest hint of that behavior and almost everyone said Geno's interviews went well. The main points dropping him down were inconsistency on the field. Some also talked about him "pouting" when thing went bad during a game.

Nobody mentioned him being disinterested during interviews or being cocky. This sounds like a pissed off agent or some scout/coach/GM justifying passing on him.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:05 AM   #197
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Wanna know why the QB's in this draft all fell? Blame it on Luck and RGIII.

Those two guys alone in the last draft caused the expectations to become outrageous and the microscope on these QB's to become double or triple with comparisons in this draft. If Barkley had come out last year he would have been a top 15 pick. He had an off year and the microscopes got more powerful, so he fell and fell. Did he get that much worse??? No.

Discount it if you want, but this year was just a bad year to be Geno Smith and a bad year to for the Chiefs to have the #1 pick.

We were by far the most QB needy team until the abortion of trading #34 + more for Average Smith. Next would be the Raiders, but they traded for Flynn. Next would be Arizona who traded for Palmer. That leaves Buffalo and we won't even go there with Manuel going in the first while Geno and even Barkley did not. Buffalo and Buddy Nix are hardly a role model team.

Geno's biggest mistake was assuming this franchise even had one thought of drafting a QB in the first. It simply doesn't happen anymore. Todd Blackledge screwed us all to a life of mediocre retreads. I think it's in the Chiefs Head Coach official handbook. We'll call it the Hunt Rule.
If Luck or RG3 had been there, I can assure the Chiefs would've drafted them.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:10 AM   #198
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Chris Gough from Metro Sports just said on the Johnny Dare show that Geno's agents told him that an interview with Geno before the draft would cost $1k, and since Metro is part of TWC, that they needed free cable too.

LOL...morons, no wonder they got canned.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:10 AM   #199
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If Luck or RG3 had been there, I can assure the Chiefs would've drafted them.
This is a fact too many people here gloss over when complaining we never draft a QB in the 1st round.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:13 AM   #200
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I'm having a hard time believing the story. There wasn't the slightest hint of that behavior and almost everyone said Geno's interviews went well. The main points dropping him down were inconsistency on the field. Some also talked about him "pouting" when thing went bad during a game.

Nobody mentioned him being disinterested during interviews or being cocky. This sounds like a pissed off agent or some scout/coach/GM justifying passing on him.

Its not that difficult -
  • Multiple sources not just one.
  • You don't tip your hand before the draft, if you think a guy has issues you don't tell other teams.
  • His sideline behavior and draft day behavior are in line with what is being reported don't you think? There is a history.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:13 AM   #201
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All the people arguing with SNR, TTC, myself, OTWP and others in this thread also had Cassels cum in their mouths this time 4 years ago.

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Old 05-02-2013, 07:17 AM   #202
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If Luck or RG3 had been there, I can assure the Chiefs would've drafted them.
Keep telling yourself that.

The more likely scenario is that we take the Rams approach and trade the pick to other teams.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:21 AM   #203
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Anyone hear that awkward interview between Jayice Pearson and Jason Cole yesterday on the Danny Parkins show? Pearson basically asked Cole what an NFL executive had to gain by making the Geno comments after the draft; saying that the executive should contact Geno with this feedback instead of releasing it to Cole as an anonymous source. Cole said he wasn't "here" to talk about that. Things became a little heated between Parkins and Pearson to the point Parkins apologized to the listeners for the last 30 minutes of radio. Polarizing topic it seems.

Pearson does have a point, it's a very ***** thing to do after the draft.



I missed that part of the show, I just heard the 45 minutes talking KC BBQ and then Parkins allergy problem for another 45 minutes.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:21 AM   #204
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What are all the excuses next year to not draft QBotf in the first round or two?
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:23 AM   #205
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i expect to not see anyone in this thread claiming that Bray (an actual loser douche bag) can be developed....since that is the unanimous opinion of the True Fans about Smith and his risky texting


i'll keep the link to this for reference
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If you go back and look at Geno's interviews, there is a bit of arrogance in him... Arrogance is difficult to coach because the individual will basically reject anything anybody has to say.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:24 AM   #207
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What are all the excuses next year to not draft QBotf in the first round or two?
the same ones you hear every year

"not good enough for Chiefs"
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"wait till next year"

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Old 05-02-2013, 07:25 AM   #208
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If you go back and look at Geno's interviews, there is a bit of arrogance in him... Arrogance is difficult to coach because the individual will basically reject anything anybody has to say.
so we're trading Bray for a full back today?
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there's a one word answer to any argument proffered against drafting QBs, or claiming QBs are risky (they're not, ever), or just being a miserable true fan **** celebrating a RT with the #1 pick:









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What part is it that you just aren't understanding? Reid and Dorsey have a history of drafting QBs like they are going out of style. They took a look at this year's crop of QBs and said, "Oh my gosh,this year's QBs are the fruit of a giant flaming aids tree."

Will they probably draft a high round QB in the near future? Kansas City history says no, but their own personal history says yes. It just wasn't this year. I'd be willing to bet that they may of drafted a QB early this year if they could of traded down, maybe not. We don't know because we were stuck with the 1.1 in a year there were no sexy picks at the top and no one wanted to trade up.

Miami traded up from 12 to 3 with only a second round pick and the Raiders were happy to get that (all the QBs were still on the board and the Raiders really don't have a solution at QB). Last year it took two more first round picks than that to move from 6 to 2. That should tell you something.

We're going to get our sexy QB in the near future. Not this year. Drafting a QB early this year was not a gamble; sticking your penis in a woodchipper and flipping the switch is not a gamble. The outcome in either scenario is likely pain: a lot of unnecessary pain.

No one is saying, "don't draft a QB EVAR!!!!" People are saying, "Don't stick your dick in a woodchipper just to say you did it."
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All the people arguing with SNR, TTC, myself, OTWP and others in this thread also had Cassels cum in their mouths this time 4 years ago.

Coincidence?
No they didn't. Are you wrong about everything?
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