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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:32 AM   #211
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i expect to not see anyone in this thread claiming that Bray (an actual loser douche bag) can be developed....since that is the unanimous opinion of the True Fans about Smith and his risky texting


i'll keep the link to this for reference
Are you this dense? It isn't about texting. Its about some kid being in the most important interview in his life and the douchebag isn't paying attention to you. He's wanting you to give him $22M but he isn't listening to what you are saying to him.

I guarantee you that if someone comes to me looking for a job (even a minimum wage job) and is texting during the interview, then his mother better be on her deathbed. If not, then FU, find someone else to give you a job. Looks like a lot of NFL teams felt the same way.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:36 AM   #212
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If you go back and look at Geno's interviews, there is a bit of arrogance in him... Arrogance is difficult to coach because the individual will basically reject anything anybody has to say.
Arrogance or confidence?
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:36 AM   #213
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What are all the excuses next year to not draft QBotf in the first round or two?


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Old 05-02-2013, 07:37 AM   #214
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Tyler Bray - udfa, world's biggest douchebag...."HE'S OUR QBOTF...REJOICE! REID WILL TEACH HIM MATURITY!"

Geno Smith....."HE FELL ALL THE WAY TO #39, PLUS HE TEXTS...TOO RISKY!"
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:37 AM   #215
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i expect to not see anyone in this thread claiming that Bray (an actual loser douche bag) can be developed....since that is the unanimous opinion of the True Fans about Smith and his risky texting


i'll keep the link to this for reference
No one would have complained about picking Geno Smith up as an UDFA. If you're going to take a shot on a physically gifted guy with leadership and maturity problems, the late rounds and free agency are the places to do it.
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:38 AM   #216
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Are you this dense? It isn't about texting. Its about some kid being in the most important interview in his life and the douchebag isn't paying attention to you. He's wanting you to give him $22M but he isn't listening to what you are saying to him.

I guarantee you that if someone comes to me looking for a job (even a minimum wage job) and is texting during the interview, then his mother better be on her deathbed. If not, then FU, find someone else to give you a job. Looks like a lot of NFL teams felt the same way.
like i said, I won't expect to find you explaining how Bray is going to be developed by Reid...
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:40 AM   #217
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What part is it that you just aren't understanding? Reid and Dorsey have a history of drafting QBs like they are going out of style. They took a look at this year's crop of QBs and said, "Oh my gosh,this year's QBs are the fruit of a giant flaming aids tree."

Will they probably draft a high round QB in the near future? Kansas City history says no, but their own personal history says yes. It just wasn't this year. I'd be willing to bet that they may of drafted a QB early this year if they could of traded down, maybe not. We don't know because we were stuck with the 1.1 in a year there were no sexy picks at the top and no one wanted to trade up.

Miami traded up from 12 to 3 with only a second round pick and the Raiders were happy to get that (all the QBs were still on the board and the Raiders really don't have a solution at QB). Last year it took two more first round picks than that to move from 6 to 2. That should tell you something.

We're going to get our sexy QB in the near future. Not this year. Drafting a QB early this year was not a gamble; sticking your penis in a woodchipper and flipping the switch is not a gamble. The outcome in either scenario is likely pain: a lot of unnecessary pain.

No one is saying, "don't draft a QB EVAR!!!!" People are saying, "Don't stick your dick in a woodchipper just to say you did it."
we drafted a RT with the #1 pick, and traded two seconds for a backup QB

those are the facts

and then there's your tired, decades old excuse for once again not drafting a QB

it never ends, it never changes

but hey, you got what you want...no QB...so the Chiefs are golden
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:40 AM   #218
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"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."
This was obvious early on. Geno's attitude and thinking that he was all that was a big part of him falling in the draft.
I didn't want him and I am damn glad we didn't draft this punk ass POS.
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No they didn't. Are you wrong about everything?
I have put every argument you have ever tried to make with me in it's grave. If I have time later, I'll show you how correct that statement of mine was.

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I love these kinds of threads.
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we drafted a RT with the #1 pick, and traded two seconds for a backup QB

those are the facts

and then there's your tired, decades old excuse for once again not drafting a QB

it never ends, it never changes

but hey, you got what you want...no QB...so the Chiefs are golden
This is stupid. We did not draft a RT with 1.1 we did draft a LT that may play RT for this season before albert is moved/traded or whatever.
GET OVER IT.
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What gets the non Geno ball sniffers going in a thread like this is that there simply wasn't a QB worth drafting at #1, yet certain CPers were willing to take a huge and stupid risk just to say the chiefs finally tried. That is just plain stupidity. SNR, Bosschief, you two in particular, are less credible as more of the Geno Smith shortcomings come out. The "if he busts, but at least we tried" argument is horseshit. The Chiefs will draft a QB when one is there that is worth it.
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This was obvious early on. Geno's attitude and thinking that he was all that was a big part of him falling in the draft.
I didn't want him and I am damn glad we didn't draft this punk ass POS.
won't see you in any bray threads ever as well...
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What gets the non Geno ball sniffers going in a thread like this is that there simply wasn't a QB worth drafting at #1, yet certain CPers were willing to take a huge and stupid risk just to say the chiefs finally tried. That is just plain stupidity. SNR, Bosschief, you two in particular, are less credible as more of the Geno Smith shortcomings come out. The "if he busts, but at least we tried" argument is horseshit. The Chiefs will draft a QB when one is there that is worth it.


every single true fan cliche in one tidy paragraph

"not worth it"
"risk"
"not good enough" (for 2-14 chiefs)
"next year" (maybe)


are you a marcellus dupe?
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I have put every argument you have ever tried to make with me in it's grave. If I have time later, I'll show you how correct that statement of mine was.

Stay tuned.
I have no idea what this means, but my money is on you not having time later.
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