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Old 05-01-2013, 05:40 PM  
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The criminalization of our children continues

Arrested, expelled and who knows what's gonna happen to her. But chances are, her life is ruined. Why? A science experiment with a water bottle and the cap blew off.

But she's just an unimportant person, not of any rich family or anything so who cares, right?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...roject-mistake

What's gonna happen when YOUR kid makes a mistake?


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A Florida teen with an exemplary record is facing federal charges after conducting what a classmate calls “a science project gone bad.”

16-year-old Kiera Wilmot is accused of mixing housing chemicals in a small water bottle at Bartow High School, causing the cap to fly off and produce a bit of smoke. The experiment was conducted outdoors, no property was damaged, and no one was injured.

Not long after Wilmot’s experiment, authorities arrested her and charged her with “possession/discharge of a weapon on school property and discharging a destructive device,” according to WTSP-TV. The school district proceeded to expel Wilmot for handling the “dangerous weapon,” also known as a water bottle. She will have to complete her high school education through an expulsion program.

Friends and staffers, including the school principal, came to Wilmot’s defense, telling media that authorities arrested an upstanding student who meant no harm.

"She is a good kid," principal Ron Richard told WTSP-TV. "She has never been in trouble before. Ever."

"She just wanted to see what happened to those chemicals in the bottle," a classmate added. "Now, look what happened."

Polk County Schools stands by its decision to expel Wilmot, asserting in a statement, “there are consequences to actions,” and calling Wilmot’s experiment a “serious breach of conduct.”
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:19 AM   #91
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A chemical reaction caused (as a biased source puts it) a cap to pop off. It was enough of a reaction that, even though it was done outside, it got the attention of someone. If you've got a better term than "explosion", I'm open to it.
Effervescence perhaps?
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Punishment should fit the crime. Maybe having her stay after school and clean up the science labs or something.
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A chemical reaction caused (as a biased source puts it) a cap to pop off. It was enough of a reaction that, even though it was done outside, it got the attention of someone. If you've got a better term than "explosion", I'm open to it.
Nah, I'd rather not go down the "mauled" by a dog path again.

I'll just leave you and your superlatives alone.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:24 AM   #94
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So it's okay for teenagers who have no idea what they're doing to mix chemicals causing an explosion at school as long a they were only trying to create chemical smoke? That's your position on chemical induced explosions at high schools?

Let's just let kids bring chemicals onto school grounds and mix them together to satisfy their curiosity. If they explode, it's okay as long as A) nobody gets hurt AND B) the kids are only trying to get the chemicals to start smoking. As long as any explosions resulting from untrained teenagers mixing chemicals together before school are unintentional, there will be no consequences. This policy is stern but fair.
Any punishment should be tailored to the individual and the circumstances. A 'zero tolerance' policy is the kind of stupidity that gets kids 6 year old kids suspended because of a butter knife in their backpack. Also, despite all the talk about how this was at school, the reality is that today's schools are trying to apply their rules and zero tolerance policies to things that happen off campus. It's all part of the same police state encroachments supported by the sort of useful idiots who think the world needs to come complete with hospital corners and that any law or rule that purports to be about safety is a good one.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:38 AM   #95
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Any punishment should be tailored to the individual and the circumstances. A 'zero tolerance' policy is the kind of stupidity that gets kids 6 year old kids suspended because of a butter knife in their backpack. Also, despite all the talk about how this was at school, the reality is that today's schools are trying to apply their rules and zero tolerance policies to things that happen off campus. It's all part of the same police state encroachments supported by the sort of useful idiots who think the world needs to come complete with hospital corners and that any law or rule that purports to be about safety is a good one.
Zero tolerance policies are dumb, anti-nature, anti-learning, anti-science, and anti-human.
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Definition of EXPLOSION

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: the act or an instance of exploding
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: a large-scale, rapid, or spectacular expansion or bursting out or forth
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: the release of occluded breath that occurs in one kind of articulation of stop consonants

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Any punishment should be tailored to the individual and the circumstances. A 'zero tolerance' policy is the kind of stupidity that gets kids 6 year old kids suspended because of a butter knife in their backpack. Also, despite all the talk about how this was at school, the reality is that today's schools are trying to apply their rules and zero tolerance policies to things that happen off campus. It's all part of the same police state encroachments supported by the sort of useful idiots who think the world needs to come complete with hospital corners and that any law or rule that purports to be about safety is a good one.
Zero tolerance for arson? Zero tolerance for assault? Zero tolerance for rape? Zero tolerance for assaulting a teacher?

Some things are pretty black and white.

What if this girl gets off with a warning only to come back and do it again causing serious injury? I'll tell you "what then": the same people bitching about using common sense not to punish a kid for "experimenting" with chemicals will be bitching about ignoring obvious warning signs.

The same hyperbole that leads an agenda-driven writer to say, "poor little kid was arrested for popping the cap on a water bottle" will turn to " students maimed by poisonous gas explosion after police ignored troubled student's previous attempts to detonate a container filled with dangerous chemicals on school grounds".

The school did what it had to do. You bring chemicals onto school property and mix them in a container in an attempt to cause some unknown reaction? Get the **** out and explain it to the authorities. They can handle it. They can decide whether this was a harmless lapse in judgement or a dangerous action that was fortunate not to cause serious injuries. You want your kid to randomly mix chemicals and seal them in bottles? Do it away from my kid.
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Zero tolerance for arson? Zero tolerance for assault? Zero tolerance for rape? Zero tolerance for assaulting a teacher?

Some things are pretty black and white.
History has shown us, again and again, that almost nothing is black and white. Assault and rape certainly aren't black and white issues.

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What if this girl gets off with a warning only to come back and do it again causing serious injury? I'll tell you "what then": the same people bitching about using common sense not to punish a kid for "experimenting" with chemicals will be bitching about ignoring obvious warning signs.
Unless the story changes, that position would be just as stupid as your current position.

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The same hyperbole that leads an agenda-driven writer to say, "poor little kid was arrested for popping the cap on a water bottle" will turn to " students maimed by poisonous gas explosion after police ignored troubled student's previous attempts to detonate a container filled with dangerous chemicals on school grounds".
The irony here being, of course, that you were being hyperbolic in the previous paragraph and are clearly pushing an agenda here.


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The school did what it had to do. You bring chemicals onto school property and mix them in a container in an attempt to cause some unknown reaction? Get the **** out and explain it to the authorities. They can handle it. They can decide whether this was a harmless lapse in judgement or a dangerous action that was fortunate not to cause serious injuries. You want your kid to randomly mix chemicals and seal them in bottles? Do it away from my kid.
Always great to hear from people who are in favor of a police state. They always serve as a great reminder of why I'm so opposed to one.
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here you go right wingers, it's on fox news now. So you can consider this a real story now.


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...t-in-jail.html

A Florida teenager with an “exemplary record” was arrested and expelled from school for what school officials say was a science experiment gone wrong.

FOLLOW TODD ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND COMMENTARY! CLICK HERE!

Kiera Wilmot, a student at Bartow High School, is facing two felony charges including making or attempting to make a destructive device after she mixed toilet bowl cleaner and pieces of aluminum foil in a tiny water bottle.

A spokesperson for the Florida State Attorney’s office told Fox News that the case is under investigation and would not be offering further comment.

The 16-year-old was in a yard outside the school working on the experiment for an upcomikierawilmotng science project, according to the Bartow Police Dept. The project was not part of an official class assignment.

Wilmot told police she thought the concoction would result in a little smoke. Instead, according to the police report, the tiny bottle exploded.

Bartow High School Principal Ron Pritchard told television station WTSP that Wilmot had an exemplary record and she is known around campus as a good student.

“She’s is a good kid,” the principal said. “she has never been in trouble before. Ever.”

According to the police report, obtained by Fox News, Wilmot told police she was in no way trying to hurt anyone or create a disruption of school.

The principal agreed and said she simply made a bad decision.

“Honestly, I don’t think she meant to ever hurt anyone,” he told the television station. “She wanted to see what would happen when the chemicals mixed and was shocked by what it did. Her mother is shocked, too.”

The principal said the young lady was completely up front and honest about what happened.

“She didn’t run or try to hide the truth,” he said.

Nevertheless, the school district called the police, had her arrested and expelled her from school.

“There are consequences to actions,” read a statement from Polk County Schools. “Anytime a student makes a bad choice it is disappointing to us.”

The district told the television station that the incident “was a serious breach of conduct.”

“In order to maintain a safe and orderly learning environment, we simply must uphold our code of conduct rules,” the statement read. “We will not compromise the safety and security of our students and staff.”

The experiment was conducted in a school yard away from the building and away from students. No one was injured in the incident.

The Wilmot family declined to comment. The district said she will complete her education at an alternative school.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:28 AM   #100
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but I guess children are going to these public schools with a good possibility they are going to be arrested and expelled if they make some little mistake.


But this story is just awful. ****ing experimenting with chemistry might not be a great idea if you dont know what you are doing. But expulsion and imprisonment for this? My god, kids shouldnt be going to school in fear of making some innocent mistake and having their lives ruined over it. POLICE STATE

It's cruel to have a child if you can't afford private schools for them these days, ****ing really cruel.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:38 AM   #101
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here you go right wingers, it's on fox news now. So you can consider this a real story now.


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...t-in-jail.html

A Florida teenager with an “exemplary record” was arrested and expelled from school for what school officials say was a science experiment gone wrong.

FOLLOW TODD ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND COMMENTARY! CLICK HERE!

Kiera Wilmot, a student at Bartow High School, is facing two felony charges including making or attempting to make a destructive device after she mixed toilet bowl cleaner and pieces of aluminum foil in a tiny water bottle.

A spokesperson for the Florida State Attorney’s office told Fox News that the case is under investigation and would not be offering further comment.

The 16-year-old was in a yard outside the school working on the experiment for an upcomikierawilmotng science project, according to the Bartow Police Dept. The project was not part of an official class assignment.

Wilmot told police she thought the concoction would result in a little smoke. Instead, according to the police report, the tiny bottle exploded.

Bartow High School Principal Ron Pritchard told television station WTSP that Wilmot had an exemplary record and she is known around campus as a good student.

“She’s is a good kid,” the principal said. “she has never been in trouble before. Ever.”

According to the police report, obtained by Fox News, Wilmot told police she was in no way trying to hurt anyone or create a disruption of school.

The principal agreed and said she simply made a bad decision.

“Honestly, I don’t think she meant to ever hurt anyone,” he told the television station. “She wanted to see what would happen when the chemicals mixed and was shocked by what it did. Her mother is shocked, too.”

The principal said the young lady was completely up front and honest about what happened.

“She didn’t run or try to hide the truth,” he said.

Nevertheless, the school district called the police, had her arrested and expelled her from school.

“There are consequences to actions,” read a statement from Polk County Schools. “Anytime a student makes a bad choice it is disappointing to us.”

The district told the television station that the incident “was a serious breach of conduct.”

“In order to maintain a safe and orderly learning environment, we simply must uphold our code of conduct rules,” the statement read. “We will not compromise the safety and security of our students and staff.”

The experiment was conducted in a school yard away from the building and away from students. No one was injured in the incident.

The Wilmot family declined to comment. The district said she will complete her education at an alternative school.
Actual reporting!

Googled "Toilet bowl cleaner mixed with foil" first video result titled "toilet bowl cleaner bomb...mix toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil in a plastic bottle. Put the cap on tight, and watch the explosion."

I watched the video. The girl knew what she was doing. She deserves to be expelled. I don't think it warrants jail time, but I'd say some legal ramifications are in order.
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here you go right wingers, it's on fox news now. So you can consider this a real story now.


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...t-in-jail.html

A Florida teenager with an “exemplary record” was arrested and expelled from school for what school officials say was a science experiment gone wrong.

FOLLOW TODD ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND COMMENTARY! CLICK HERE!

Kiera Wilmot, a student at Bartow High School, is facing two felony charges including making or attempting to make a destructive device after she mixed toilet bowl cleaner and pieces of aluminum foil in a tiny water bottle.

A spokesperson for the Florida State Attorney’s office told Fox News that the case is under investigation and would not be offering further comment.

The 16-year-old was in a yard outside the school working on the experiment for an upcomikierawilmotng science project, according to the Bartow Police Dept. The project was not part of an official class assignment.

Wilmot told police she thought the concoction would result in a little smoke. Instead, according to the police report, the tiny bottle exploded.

Bartow High School Principal Ron Pritchard told television station WTSP that Wilmot had an exemplary record and she is known around campus as a good student.

“She’s is a good kid,” the principal said. “she has never been in trouble before. Ever.”

According to the police report, obtained by Fox News, Wilmot told police she was in no way trying to hurt anyone or create a disruption of school.

The principal agreed and said she simply made a bad decision.

“Honestly, I don’t think she meant to ever hurt anyone,” he told the television station. “She wanted to see what would happen when the chemicals mixed and was shocked by what it did. Her mother is shocked, too.”

The principal said the young lady was completely up front and honest about what happened.

“She didn’t run or try to hide the truth,” he said.

Nevertheless, the school district called the police, had her arrested and expelled her from school.

“There are consequences to actions,” read a statement from Polk County Schools. “Anytime a student makes a bad choice it is disappointing to us.”

The district told the television station that the incident “was a serious breach of conduct.”

“In order to maintain a safe and orderly learning environment, we simply must uphold our code of conduct rules,” the statement read. “We will not compromise the safety and security of our students and staff.”

The experiment was conducted in a school yard away from the building and away from students. No one was injured in the incident.

The Wilmot family declined to comment. The district said she will complete her education at an alternative school.
Well, there you go Saul Good.

My bad, I guess.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:41 AM   #103
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So I see you already addressed this while I was writing my post.

You are cautioning others to not jump to conclusions about what happened, while you are still calling it an explosion, even though that particular word is never mentioned in the article.
Seems it's mentioned on the police report...

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here you go right wingers, it's on fox news now. So you can consider this a real story now.


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...t-in-jail.html

A Florida teenager with an “exemplary record” was arrested and expelled from school for what school officials say was a science experiment gone wrong.

FOLLOW TODD ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND COMMENTARY! CLICK HERE!

Kiera Wilmot, a student at Bartow High School, is facing two felony charges including making or attempting to make a destructive device after she mixed toilet bowl cleaner and pieces of aluminum foil in a tiny water bottle.

A spokesperson for the Florida State Attorney’s office told Fox News that the case is under investigation and would not be offering further comment.

The 16-year-old was in a yard outside the school working on the experiment for an upcomikierawilmotng science project, according to the Bartow Police Dept. The project was not part of an official class assignment.

Wilmot told police she thought the concoction would result in a little smoke. Instead, according to the police report, the tiny bottle exploded.

Bartow High School Principal Ron Pritchard told television station WTSP that Wilmot had an exemplary record and she is known around campus as a good student.

“She’s is a good kid,” the principal said. “she has never been in trouble before. Ever.”

According to the police report, obtained by Fox News, Wilmot told police she was in no way trying to hurt anyone or create a disruption of school.

The principal agreed and said she simply made a bad decision.

“Honestly, I don’t think she meant to ever hurt anyone,” he told the television station. “She wanted to see what would happen when the chemicals mixed and was shocked by what it did. Her mother is shocked, too.”

The principal said the young lady was completely up front and honest about what happened.

“She didn’t run or try to hide the truth,” he said.

Nevertheless, the school district called the police, had her arrested and expelled her from school.

“There are consequences to actions,” read a statement from Polk County Schools. “Anytime a student makes a bad choice it is disappointing to us.”

The district told the television station that the incident “was a serious breach of conduct.”

“In order to maintain a safe and orderly learning environment, we simply must uphold our code of conduct rules,” the statement read. “We will not compromise the safety and security of our students and staff.”

The experiment was conducted in a school yard away from the building and away from students. No one was injured in the incident.

The Wilmot family declined to comment. The district said she will complete her education at an alternative school.
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Actual reporting!

Googled "Toilet bowl cleaner mixed with foil" first video result titled "toilet bowl cleaner bomb...mix toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil in a plastic bottle. Put the cap on tight, and watch the explosion."

I watched the video. The girl knew what she was doing. She deserves to be expelled. I don't think it warrants jail time, but I'd say some legal ramifications are in order.
Am I missing something? Or do I have to click on the link to see that she was mixing toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil?
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Seems it's mentioned on the police report...
Yet that wasn't part of the story posted in the OP.
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