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Old 05-01-2013, 09:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:37 AM   #316
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Great post by suzzer in #310. It shows how hard it is to get a franchise quarterback. Alternately, it shows why a team should plan to continually invest draft picks in quarterbacks. You're going to miss on a lot of them, so you have to draft a lot of them.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:38 AM   #317
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those supposedly CP QB gurus are taking a real butt kicking....
They're mostly oblivious to it though. They're like Monte Python's Black Knight. Or Frankie.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:42 AM   #318
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:44 AM   #319
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Great post by suzzer in #310. It shows how hard it is to get a franchise quarterback. Alternately, it shows why a team should plan to continually invest draft picks in quarterbacks. You're going to miss on a lot of them, so you have to draft a lot of them.
It also shows that teams need to evaluate them properly. Taking bust after bust will set your franchise back or keep it from getting out of the cellar. It's about evaluations and getting them right and then making the pick. Play the odds and take chance is a losers game.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:45 AM   #320
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I swear some of you guys will compare Geno to any QB we passed.
Sure the QB's we passed over had a few issues. System, small school, lack of experience. Those were a few "red flags" people had on them.

Geno Smith has so many red flags that he could pass as the St Louis Cardinals mascot.

I mean seriously what pros does he have? Accuracy and athleticism are the only real one's I can see.

The kid is immature as hell, can't lead, he pouts, he's a proven arrogant punk,the stats proved his production was a mirage, etc.

I can't remember a worse 1st rd QB prospect in recent years. And you think the Chiefs are morons for passing on him? What about the other 31 teams who also passed on him?

Face it. He's not a good QB prospect and we did the right thing his year.

As for Bray, no I don't think he is the QBOTF, but taking a guy w problems where we did was a great move. He is essentially free and it's not like we're taking him above all these other great players.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:47 AM   #321
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It also shows that teams need to evaluate them properly. Taking bust after bust will set your franchise back or keep it from getting out of the cellar. It's about evaluations and getting them right and then making the pick. Play the odds and take chance is a losers game.
It also screams "THE CHIEFS SUCK AT DRAFTING"
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It also screams "THE CHIEFS SUCK AT DRAFTING"
They may suck, they may suck at drafting but it isn't because they didn't reach for shitty QBs.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:55 AM   #323
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They may suck, they may suck at drafting but it isn't because they didn't reach for shitty QBs.
Oh, so "reach" is the operative word here...
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though, I think it's easy to look back and compare to how things have played out to this point.
I think most people are angry that the Chiefs haven't even tried to grab a QB to develop.

at least, that's the way I feel about it.
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Oh, so "reach" is the operative word here...
I thought it was suck
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:01 PM   #326
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though, I think it's easy to look back and compare to how things have played out to this point.
I think most people are angry that the Chiefs haven't even tried to grab a QB to develop.

at least, that's the way I feel about it.
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So we are still arguing about a 2nd round QB. Figures
Seriously though who gives a shit. The guy is toast. Aaron brooks tops.
probably closer to Jim Drunkunmiler with the shit they will put.him through in NY. Im pretty sure the 250,000 posts we wasted on him before the draft were plenty
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Great post by suzzer in #310. It shows how hard it is to get a franchise quarterback. Alternately, it shows why a team should plan to continually invest draft picks in quarterbacks. You're going to miss on a lot of them, so you have to draft a lot of them.
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though, I think it's easy to look back and compare to how things have played out to this point.
I think most people are angry that the Chiefs haven't even tried to grab a QB to develop.

at least, that's the way I feel about it.
We did. We got Tyler Bray. If we had spent a 5th on him a lot of people would have been happy. Alas.
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