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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:04 AM   #331
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though, I think it's easy to look back and compare to how things have played out to this point.
I think most people are angry that the Chiefs haven't even tried to grab a QB to develop.

at least, that's the way I feel about it.
Well yeah. That doesn't mean that they were wrong to not reach for Geno or Sanchex back in'09.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:07 AM   #332
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Ring the bell folks. We have winner!
Reid is notorious for finding picking and developing QBs. Im pretty sure he stated that he likes to take one in every draft. I guess that didnt apply to this group of chaff.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:08 AM   #333
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Oh, so "reach" is the operative word here...
So far, I'd have to say "reacharound" is a more fitting descriptive.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:10 AM   #334
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Reid is notorious for finding picking and developing QBs. Im pretty sure he stated that he likes to take one in every draft. I guess that didnt apply to this group of chaff.
Alex Smith was the one he used a draft pick on this year.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:12 AM   #335
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KC fans often talk about emulating certain teams like the Ravens, Pitt and NYG.

Well, Nassib and Jones were good enough for two of those teams to take in the 4th (not including Philly taking Barkley) but none of those guys were good enough for KC?
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:14 AM   #336
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KC fans often talk about emulating certain teams like the Ravens, Pitt and NYG.

Well, Nassib and Jones were good enough for two of those teams to take in the 4th (not including Philly taking Barkley) but none of those guys were good enough for KC?
Oh god...
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:15 AM   #337
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We did. We got Tyler Bray. If we had spent a 5th on him a lot of people would have been happy. Alas.
And the irony is, that for as much as people on here are crushing the chiefs for not drafting a qb, he very well could end up being the VERY BEST QB FROM THIS CLASS. He has the talent. He has to put the work in, but the talent, is there, and the support that he is going to need to get there is here. That being two qbs who understand the qb position in Daniel, and Smith, the gurus in Chilly, Andy, and Pederson. I would take Bray in that situation over any other qb that was drafted.....Hes in the best predicament.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:15 AM   #338
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The Jets team won those in spite of his ass not because of him.
How many games has Sanchez won since those playoffs? He sure hasn't lead that team back without that running game and defense.
Sanchez=Tebow at least Tebow didn't and wouldn't have buttfumbled. #5 overall pick getting replaced by...... wait for it..........that is right Geno Smith. OUCH bet that leaves a mark on mark.
Got to hand it to those USC QBs they really are something.
I think both of these QBs are a perfect example of how essential a good, solid, O-Line is. Both of these QBs were magnified and made to look better than they were thanks to a good O-Line. Good thing we took a "safe pick" and not a QB that may or may not be successful.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:20 AM   #339
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I have noticed there are quite a few posters on Chiefsplanet who cannot distinguish between the two.
Confidence can be coached. ie RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson.

Arrogance can't be coached, and is generally a Diva. ie Ryan Leaf, Chad Johnson
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:23 AM   #340
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KC fans often talk about emulating certain teams like the Ravens, Pitt and NYG.

Well, Nassib and Jones were good enough for two of those teams to take in the 4th (not including Philly taking Barkley) but none of those guys were good enough for KC?
And those teams also have MUCH better starting QB's than the Chiefs.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:25 AM   #341
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Confidence can be coached. ie RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson.

Arrogance can't be coached, and is generally a Diva. ie Ryan Leaf, Chad Johnson
That's awesome stuff right there. Probably the front runner for the "Dumbest Post Of The Day" award right now.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:27 AM   #342
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And those teams also have MUCH better starting QB's than the Chiefs.
Do you think that any of those will ever be starting qbs in the league? Cause truth be told, they could all be career back ups.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:29 AM   #343
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Do you think that any of those will ever be starting qbs in the league? Cause truth be told, they could all be career back ups.
I think a few of them will be given the opportunity.

I'll bet my left nut that at least one of the QB's in the draft has a better pro career than Smiff though.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:34 AM   #344
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All in all there's a lot of crap out there. I'm not saying I'm happy with the Chiefs by any means. But I think it's easy to cherry pick the spots like Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman and Brees, and forget about all the ones we dodged like butt-fumble, Jafatass, Young, Quinn, Jason Campbell, Clausen, etc. or all the years there just wasn't crap to pick from (like many are predicting for this year).

Different players could have succeeded or failed in different situations.
For instance:

If Aaron Rodgers got drafted by a shit organization like the Raiders or Dolphins instead of getting to sit and learn Brett Favre, it's impossible to know how that situation would've ended up. Rodgers could've been stuck in a bad situation with shitty surrounding talent, and busted bigtime.

If Mark Sanchez was drafted by the Chiefs where there is less media pressure, less expectations, etc... he could've possibly been a much better QB.
We will never know.

The point of all of this is: Other teams TRY the latest working model, and that is drafting and developing your franchise QB. The Chiefs continue to trade for other teams QB's that they are willing to part with. That said, I won't be a hypocrite and say that it will NEVER work, because like I mentioned above... different situations can call for different outcomes. However; the chiefs are going against the trends and it's not even close to working... when are they going to finally do what championship teams do?
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:47 AM   #345
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I think a few of them will be given the opportunity.

I'll bet my left nut that at least one of the QB's in the draft has a better pro career than Smiff though.
I wont argue that. I think there two at least that are in situations that could lead to that.

Mike Glennon, and Landry Jones.
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