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Old 05-02-2013, 10:12 AM  
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BURKESVILLE, Ky. (AP) — As Stephanie Sparks cleaned the kitchen, her 5-year-old son, Kristian, began playing with a rifle he was given last year.

She stepped out onto the front porch, poured grease out of a frying pan for the dogs and “heard the gun go off,” a Kentucky coroner said.
Authorities said the boy had fatally shot his 2-year-old sister, Caroline, in the chest.

In rural southern Kentucky, far removed from the national debate over gun control, where some children get their first guns even before they start first grade, the accident stunned the community.

Kristian’s rifle was kept in a corner of the mobile home, and the family didn’t realize a bullet had been left in it, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said.

“Down in Kentucky where we’re from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation,” White said. “You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything.”

What is more unusual than a child having a gun, he said, is “that a kid would get shot with it.”

In this case, the rifle was made by a company that sells guns specifically for children — “My first rifle” is the slogan — in colors ranging from plain brown to hot pink to royal blue to multi-color swirls.

“It’s a normal way of life, and it’s not just rural Kentucky, it’s rural America — hunting and shooting and sport fishing. It starts at an early age,”
Cumberland County Judge Executive John Phelps said. “There’s probably not a household in this county that doesn’t have a gun.”

In Cumberland County, as elsewhere in Kentucky, local newspapers feature photos of children proudly displaying their kills, including turkey and deer. Even one of the latest reality shows on CMT, “Guntucky,” features a family-owned gun range in Kentucky. The range, Knob Creek, says on its website that it is as a safe place for youngsters to learn about firearms and offers family memberships.

Ruby Wright, who teaches hunter safety classes in Burkesville, said children younger than 9 can sit in, but they can’t get certification. She also coaches 4-H shooting sports, requiring those children to be 9 as well.

Phelps, who is much like a mayor in these parts, said it had been four or five years since there had been a shooting death in the county, which lies along the Cumberland River near the Tennessee state line.

“The whole town is heartbroken,” Phelps said of Burkesville, a farming community of 1,800 about 90 miles northeast of Nashville, Tenn. “This was a total shock. This was totally unexpected.”

Phelps said he knew the family well. He said the father, Chris Sparks, works as a logger at a mill and also shoes horses.

The family lives in a gray mobile home on a long, winding road, surrounded by rolling hills and farmland that’s been in the family since the 1930s. Toys, including a small truck and a basketball goal, were on the front porch, but no one was home Wednesday.

There’s a house across the street, but the next-closest neighbor lives over a hill.

Family friend Logan Wells said he received a frantic call telling him that the little girl was in an accident and to come quickly.

When he got to the hospital, Caroline was already dead. “She passed just when I got there,” Wells said.

White said the shooting had been ruled accidental, though a police spokesman said it was unclear whether any charges will be filed.

“I think it’s too early to say whether there will or won’t be,” Trooper Billy Gregory said.

White said the boy received the .22-caliber rifle as a gift, but it wasn’t clear who gave him the gun, which is known as a Crickett.

“It’s a little rifle for a kid. … The little boy’s used to shooting the little gun,” White said.

The company that makes the rifle, Milton, Pa.-based Keystone Sporting Arms, has a “Kids Corner” on its website with pictures of young boys and girls at shooting ranges and on bird and deer hunts. It says the company produced 60,000 Crickett and Chipmunk rifles for kids in 2008. The smaller rifles are sold with a mount to use at a shooting range.

Keystone also makes guns for adults, but most of its products are geared toward children, including books, hats and bright orange vests.

“The goal of KSA is to instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters and encourage them to gain the knowledge and respect that hunting and shooting activities require and deserve,” the website said.

No one at the company answered the phone Wednesday.

According to the website, company founders Bill McNeal and his son Steve McNeal decided to make guns for young shooters in the mid-1990s and opened Keystone in 1996 with just four employees, producing 4,000 rifles that year. It now employs about 70 people.

It also has a long list of testimonials from parents who talk about how grateful they are to be able to go shooting with their children. All of the guns have safety locks, and some even have ones that require a key.

Police did not release the model of the rifle Kristian had.

Sharon Rengers, a longtime child advocate at Kosair Children’s Hospital in Louisville, said making and marketing weapons specifically for children was “mind-boggling.”

“It’s like, oh, my God,” she said, “we’re having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody’s background, but we’re going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?”

State Rep. Robert R. Damron, a Democrat and an outspoken gun rights advocate in Kentucky, said the problem is not guns, but the parents who do not teach gun safety and responsibility.

“Why single out firearms? Why not talk about all the other things that endanger children, too?” he said. “The Second Amendment doesn’t give anybody carte blanche freedom to put children and juveniles at risk.”
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:32 PM   #31
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Feel really bad for the little girl. The parents deserve reckless endangerment charges.
yup.

Why and how do you let a 5 year old play with a gun...why would you have an unlocked gun within reach with a bullet in it? Extremely stupid parents. I feel sorry for the 5 year old brother...
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:32 PM   #32
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Parents are stupid.
Thats how i see it
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:35 PM   #33
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accidents are going to happen. Doesn't mean that they should use this to push their agenda to control everybody though. There are ****ing millions of kids with guns in this country and shit is going to happen, as sad and horrible as it may be.

But I've about had it with every tragedy being used to push an agenda to control everybody.

Nobody needs to go to prison. The parents might be stupid as ****, but let me tell you something. STUPID AS **** PEOPLE HAVE THE MOST KIDS AND SHIT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:02 PM   #34
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Nobody needs to go to prison. The parents might be stupid as ****, but let me tell you something..

You know I love guns, but I disagree.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:51 PM   #35
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She was 6 when I bought her,her first rifle. I think she was 8 in this pick.


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& her grand dads Rem Mo-Hawk 600 in 223

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Old 05-02-2013, 01:57 PM   #36
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You know I love guns, but I disagree.
Losing his parents doesn't do the 5 year old any good. Even if they are stupid.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:00 PM   #37
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She was 6 when I bought her,her first rifle. I think she was 8 in this pick.


Her guns to date
Henry 22
Heritage 22mag revolver
Moss-500 in 410
& her grand dads Rem Mo-Hawk 600 in 223

I had that 22 growing up, awesome. Sooo she waxed all those snow geese with a 22? must be a crack shot. NTTAWWT I killed the shit out of geese with a 22.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:05 PM   #38
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She was 6 when I bought her,her first rifle. I think she was 8 in this pick.


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Heritage 22mag revolver
Moss-500 in 410
& her grand dads Rem Mo-Hawk 600 in 223

Do you guys vacation at the wildlife preserve often?
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:08 PM   #39
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I had that 22 growing up, awesome. Sooo she waxed all those snow geese with a 22? must be a crack shot. NTTAWWT I killed the shit out of geese with a 22.
No dad shot those. That was her first hunt ever. Mid March & very cold 4 days of hunting. She was a trouper.



Best part,was how pissed off my X was when she seen these pics of our lil girl
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:09 PM   #40
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Losing his parents doesn't do the 5 year old any good. Even if they are stupid.
I can see both sides; "Your parents are in jail for a while because this was THEIR mistake...not yours." Might help him deal with his missing little sister for the rest of his life.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:13 PM   #41
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No dad shot those. That was her first hunt ever. Mid March & very cold 4 days of hunting. She was a trouper.



Best part,was how pissed off my X was when she seen these pics of our lil girl
lol Good pics, she'll like those when she's older. Do you eat snow goose? I'd feed em to my dogs, I've never had a more fowl tasting bird. see what i did there
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:16 PM   #42
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lol Good pics, she'll like those when she's older. Do you eat snow goose? I'd feed em to my dogs, I've never had a more fowl tasting bird. see what i did there
I have ate a few, I agree not that good. Now the sausage my buddy makes with them is dam good.



As for this sad story. Its all on the parents
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:17 PM   #43
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Losing his parents doesn't do the 5 year old any good. Even if they are stupid.
what would be a fair punishment than?

if someone becomes a felon for a crime that DIDN'T result in the direct death of another individual, they go to jail and have their guns taken away.

these parents made negligent choices that lead directly to the death of their own child. while that may be punishment enough, allowing the latter to retain their guns and freedom when the former is stripped seems ridiculous.
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Blaming the folks is easy, but let me tell you that nothing ever goes as planned as a parent of young kids. I've seen my young boy climb up on our countertops and reach up to grab scissors when we weren't looking. No amount of yelling or spanking will stop kids from being curious. I don't own any guns and surely believe they should be under lock stock & barrel, just saying: parenting isn't
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I sometimes wonder if the state's pound of flesh is really necessary in cases like this. I mean, they lost a child, now have another child that will probably be scarred for life, and have to live forever with the guilt and shame of knowing their carelessness and stupidity caused it all.

Is it really necessary to jail and fine them, too? Isn't all that other shit bad enough? Imagine a crime bad enough where the punishment would be making one of your children kill another one of your children.

I don't think there's much chance of them being repeat offenders.
I started discussing this topic yesterday on another site with the normal "the parents are idiots" response. After some reflection, I found myself admitting that pretty much every parent has at one time or another been stupid or distracted and was lucky enough not to have to burry a child.

Yes it is stupid to have a loaded gun where a 5 year old has access, just like it is stupid to leave out household cleaner, mouse or bug poison in reach, or to leave a child in a car just for a second because you left something in the house. For those of us who have experienced that moment of terror when you realize what could have happened, our scorn for these parents should be replaced with or at least tempered with sympathy. Most of us were lucky at least once.
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