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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:59 PM   #421
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:00 PM   #422
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:00 PM   #423
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Are you saying the Chiefs were right not to draft Brees?
I'm saying that in all likelihood, it worked out more in the Chiefs favor to use that pick on Trent Green than it would have to use it on Drew Brees. That's my opinion, not something I have any way of proving.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:00 PM   #424
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It's possible that if we had taken Joe Flacco or Aaron Rodgers, they would have both busted. It's also possible that if we had taken Jake Plummer, he would have been a decade-long franchise QB. We can imagine an infinite number of possibilities.
I disagree, franchise qb means exactly that. They are good enough to elevate your franchise.

That is also why I think the term is way overused. There are only about 4 franchise QB's in the NFL.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:00 PM   #425
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:03 PM   #426
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There was talk of you guys drafting him with your first round pick. I was pissed off when that didn't happen.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:04 PM   #427
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2014 QB class looks to be 50x as good as this one. 4 QB's look like first round picks.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:07 PM   #428
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2014 QB class looks to be 50x as good as this one. 4 QB's look like first round picks.
Wait until next year fellas!
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Wait until next year fellas!
With EJ Manuel being the top QB drafted? Yup. I can wait one more year.
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Wait until next year fellas!
We've got Bray as a developmental guy. I imagine folks would love it had we drafted him in the 3rd.
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I'm saying that in all likelihood, it worked out more in the Chiefs favor to use that pick on Trent Green than it would have to use it on Drew Brees. That's my opinion, not something I have any way of proving.
Actually Brees and Green put up similar numbers in the same year. Brees wasn't as good during the 2001-2003 years, but that makes sense she was a pup in the league. But 2004 and 2005, he was the same as Green. Then of course we knew what happened when he went to Nawlins.
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I wish people would quit thinking that Geno is going to be great like the QB's that we passed over. Just because we pass over him doesn't mean he's going to turn into Rogers, Brees, Flacco, etc. There are other QB's we passed over like Jimmy Clausen too.

There's a reason the kid got scrutinized. He obviously wasn't a first round QB or he would have been drafted in the first.
The kid has had some serious con's on his resume and some of them just make you feel speechless.

If I'm wrong and he's a good QB who goes to a SB, I'll be happy to eat my crow, but I just don't see it happening. I want a first round QB as much as the next Chiefs fan, but I want one that has a good resume and good traits. One we can fully get behind.
I just wanted to find out and know what it feels like to draft a first round prospect. I can live with the disappointment that he doesn't turn out or struggles along the way. I just want hope and faith that this franchise has the BALLS to pick a guy on a chance that he could just turn out to be a special quarterback. The fact we had a chance to do so with the 1.1 pick and pick the best QB prospect would have made me get that hope and feeling like **** yeah now we can start building a team for the future and championships.

Nothing is going to change my mind that it is best to pick a QB from the draft than going after retreads like the Chiefs continue to do years after years.

I'm all ready disappointed we traded two 2s for Aids Smith. They took the hope away before the draft.
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Actually Brees and Green put up similar numbers in the same year. Brees wasn't as good during the 2001-2003 years, but that makes sense she was a pup in the league. But 2004 and 2005, he was the same as Green. Then of course we knew what happened when he went to Nawlins.
Not the same as Green, even in 04 & 05, but not terrible. If you disagree with me, that's fine.
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I just wanted to find out and know what it feels like to draft a first round prospect. I can live with the disappointment that he doesn't turn out or struggles along the way. I just want hope and faith that this franchise has the BALLS to pick a guy on a chance that he could just turn out to be a special quarterback. The fact we had a chance to do so with the 1.1 pick and pick the best QB prospect would have made me get that hope and feeling like **** yeah now we can start building a team for the future and championships.

Nothing is going to change my mind that it is best to pick a QB from the draft than going after retreads like the Chiefs continue to do years after years.

I'm all ready disappointed we traded two 2s for Aids Smith. They took the hope away before the draft.
EJ Manuel is a solid prospect, but I wouldn't take him (or Geno) with that pick. I'd encourage you to pretend that we drafted Bray at 1.1 (especially if the FO liked him better anyway, which, in this draft, is entirely possible.)
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