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Old 05-01-2013, 10:07 PM  
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FDA appeals making 'morning-after' pill available to all ages

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Terry Baynes
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8:00 p.m. CDT, May 1, 2013

(Reuters) - The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday appealed a court order directing the agency to make "morning-after" emergency contraception pills available without a prescription to all girls of reproductive age.

Lawyers with the Justice Department filed the appeal with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, according to court documents.

The appeal is the latest foray in the years-long legal battle over the pill known as "Plan B," a drug that has also sparked political and religious clashes. If taken up to 120 hours after unprotected sex, it is designed to prevent pregnancy.

The government is seeking to overturn U.S. District Judge Edward Korman's ruling from April 5 that required the FDA to make the emergency contraception available over-the-counter to women of all ages within 30 days.

The Justice Department has asked the district court to temporarily stop its order from taking effect while the appeal is pending, said FDA spokeswoman Erica Jefferson.

The district judge's ruling came in response to a lawsuit originally filed in 2005 by the Center for Reproductive Rights and other groups seeking to strike down age and access limits to the emergency contraception. They argued that there was no scientific proof that girls of reproductive age could not safely use the drug without supervision.

Korman's order reversed a surprise December 2011 decision by U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. At the time, the FDA had decided to approve over-the-counter sales with no age limits when Sebelius ordered it to reverse course, barring girls under 17 from buying the pills without a prescription.

President Barack Obama supported that restriction, invoking his daughters. But the timing, 11 months ahead of the presidential election, sparked criticism that he was trying to placate social conservatives.

In his ruling, Korman called Sebelius' decision "arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable."

"The motivation for the secretary's action was obviously political," he wrote.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, criticized the government's decision to appeal.

Obama's "administration has decided once again to deprive women of their right to obtain emergency contraception without unjustified and burdensome restrictions," she said in a statement.

Before filing its appeal, the FDA said on Tuesday that it would allow girls as young as 15 years old to buy without a prescription the Plan B One-Step emergency contraceptive, made by a unit of Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

The agency said its decision to lower the age limit for Plan B One-Step was based on scientific data submitted by Teva that showed girls as young as 15 could safely use the drug without the intervention of a healthcare provider. Cashiers will still have to verify the customer's age before selling it, the FDA said.

The case is Tummino et al. v. Hamburg et al., U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, No. 12-763.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:03 PM   #61
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When it can survive outside the womb without the mother? I hadn't thought much about it really.
The law would agree. 90% pre-term survival rate at 28 weeks.

Though it's a pretty difficult line to draw.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:05 PM   #62
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The law would agree. 90% pre-term survival rate at 28 weeks.

Though it's a pretty difficult line to draw.
I do agree it's a touchy subject.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:18 PM   #64
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Somewhere between conception and birth society decides when killing the baby is ok. Like it or not that seems to be the issue. Some say its wrong anytime after conception. Others are fine with snipping a spinal cord after an induced birth.

Lots of ignoring the reality in this debate.

Killing a baby is ok as long as you dont see it as a baby. Yet outrage occurs if a 9 month old dies for whatever reason.
Why are you debating this in this thread? This thread is not about aborting babies at all. It's about preventing conception. This pill is not an abortion pill. It prevents fertilization. It's basically a stronger dose of a birth control pill. If you are already pregnant when you take it, you will be pregnant after you take it. It would be similar to a woman who gets pregnant while on the pill continuing to take the pill until she finds out she's pregnant. It doesn't terminate the pregnancy. If you are adamant on debating over abortion, start another thread. That's not what this is even about.
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Somewhere between conception and birth society decides when killing the baby is ok. Like it or not that seems to be the issue. Some say its wrong anytime after conception. Others are fine with snipping a spinal cord after an induced birth.

Lots of ignoring the reality in this debate.

Killing a baby is ok as long as you dont see it as a baby. Yet outrage occurs if a 9 month old dies for whatever reason.
Lots of butthurt over a 40 year old decision. Get over it.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:41 PM   #66
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Good stuff.

28 weeks is the clinical cutoff for the 3rd trimester.

Bolded shows why late-term abortions still occur.
Technically, 24 weeks is the 3rd trimester cut-off since 36 weeks is considered "full-term"...but, yeah, despite intentional conflation and denial by many in the "pro-choice" crowd, third trimester abortion is NOT illegal (as you claimed earlier) in some states, and still DOES occur. However horrific and, "inconvenient" that fact may be...the lame excuse that you bolded of " exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health" merely serves as a gateway...

...a gateway for Pro-Abortion doctors and their radical extremist feminist "supporters" to attempt to rationalize and legitimize, what most rational folks would clearly consider nothing less than genuine "infanticide," under the guise of "threats" to a woman's "physical" and "mental" "health" that can easily be, manipulated and construed by those for whom ideology super-cedes squeamishness over infanticide ("ah, she is showing sever signs of 'distress' and depression," and "ah, she will be very sad!")...people like, well, you, it would seem....from your postings in this thread, at least.

But, hey, knock yourself out; it's your conscience. Personally, and regrettably from a moral perspective...I fall on the "pro-choice" side, because above-all I'm a political and social pragmatist. The Abortion debate has been settled on a legal and philosophical level....but I abhor those, like you, who appear to hide behind intellectually dishonest rhetoric.

Come on, man--just admit that you support infanticide, third-trimester and all. Don't hide behind transparent and lame intellectual mental gymnastics that any rational and educated folks can see through.

I'm just sayin'.....
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:45 PM   #67
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Though it's a pretty difficult line to draw.
Not for rational people with a real brain...or any parent, that I know, who has had a child.

Just sayin'...
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You should have seen all of the people saying "liberals will send this country straight to hell", "life begins at conception", and "I'd rather raise a baby from an accidental pregnancy than know that killed an unborn child". Even the term "kill pill".

You cannot kill something that was never conceived to begin with. It's prevention, not abortion. Reading people's comments made me think, though. Is this how people think of my football views? Shouting at the top of my lungs against something whenever I have no clue what I'm really arguing against?

One "conversation" I had was also:

Him: Disgusting that they think its ok for a 15 year old to be able to purchase this.
Liberals are taking America straight to hell.

Me: As long as you're okay with the government paying for the child.

Him: Where do you think the government gets its money Leann. Wow
Obama??

Me: They get it from taxes. Your money will end up paying for the food stamps and welfare that the baby will likely be on. Abstinence is always best, but what if your child isn't as perfect as you want them to be? This is not abortion, unless you think items that prevent pregnancy are the same as abortion. This pill does not kill the baby. It helps to prevent pregnancy.


Pro-life people are really just pro-birth people. They care about the child up until it's born. But heaven forbid you have to pay taxes that go towards Medicare, food stamps, welfare, or whatever other government assistance the child will end up needing. You complain that people have babies just to get more money, but you also complain whenever they take preventative measures from having more babies?

Anyway, this particular gentleman's argument has now been moved to God no longer being in schools and how we have freedom of religion and not freedom from religion, etc.
You hang around awesome people.

I still just cant figure the logic or lack of behind these thought processes.
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:36 AM   #69
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Technically, 24 weeks is the 3rd trimester cut-off since 36 weeks is considered "full-term"...but, yeah, despite intentional conflation and denial by many in the "pro-choice" crowd, third trimester abortion is NOT illegal (as you claimed earlier) in some states, and still DOES occur. However horrific and, "inconvenient" that fact may be...the lame excuse that you bolded of " exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health" merely serves as a gateway...

...a gateway for Pro-Abortion doctors and their radical extremist feminist "supporters" to attempt to rationalize and legitimize, what most rational folks would clearly consider nothing less than genuine "infanticide," under the guise of "threats" to a woman's "physical" and "mental" "health" that can easily be, manipulated and construed by those for whom ideology super-cedes squeamishness over infanticide ("ah, she is showing sever signs of 'distress' and depression," and "ah, she will be very sad!")...people like, well, you, it would seem....from your postings in this thread, at least.

But, hey, knock yourself out; it's your conscience. Personally, and regrettably from a moral perspective...I fall on the "pro-choice" side, because above-all I'm a political and social pragmatist. The Abortion debate has been settled on a legal and philosophical level....but I abhor those, like you, who appear to hide behind intellectually dishonest rhetoric.

Come on, man--just admit that you support infanticide, third-trimester and all. Don't hide behind transparent and lame intellectual mental gymnastics that any rational and educated folks can see through.

I'm just sayin'.....
You're right, law says 24 weeks. 24 weeks is a time where a lot of things happen embryologically. Clinically, we use 28 because not all individuals develop the same.

Here are some good numbers:

41 states prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy.
 22 states impose prohibitions at fetal viability.
 4 states impose prohibitions in the third trimester.
 15 states impose prohibitions after a certain number of weeks, generally 24 weeks or during the third
trimester; 8 of these states ban abortion at 20 weeks post-fertilization or its equivalent of 22 weeks after
the woman’s last menstrual period on the groundsthat the fetus can feel pain at that point in gestation.
 The circumstances under which later abortions are permitted vary from state to state.
 28 states permit later abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman.
 9 states unconstitutionally ban later abortions, except those performed to save the life or physical health
of the woman.
 4 states unconstitutionally limit later abortionsto those performed to save the life of the woman.
 Some states require the involvement of a second physician when a later-term abortion is performed.
 12 states require that a second physician attend the procedure to treat a fetus if it is born alive in all or
some circumstances.
 9 states unconstitutionally require that a second physician certify that the abortion is medically
necessary in all or some circumstances.

And, the harm to the mother is very real. Choose what you want to believe big guy. I don't really care, as the law and us nasty doctors will continue to treat our patients as we see fit.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:43 AM   #70
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The only way to do way with abortion would be to finally have the medical ability where people only get pregnant when they want to. I don't know what that answer is,but abstinence sure as heck isn't it.

To solve the problem of abortion demand, we have to solve the problem of unwanted pregnancy.

Also, of this list: Birthcontrol, Abortion, Welfare - Of that list, you have to allow women at least one of those options.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:53 AM   #71
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The only way to do way with abortion would be to finally have the medical ability where people only get pregnant when they want to. I don't know what that answer is,but abstinence sure as heck isn't it.

To solve the problem of abortion demand, we have to solve the problem of unwanted pregnancy.

Also, of this list: Birthcontrol, Abortion, Welfare - Of that list, you have to allow women at least one of those options.
At present, we have birth control through many different mediums (IUD, oral, patch), morning after, barrier contraceptives, etc. There's just a stigma attached to some of these methods, and if you "peddle" them to kids, who will eventually have sex mind you, then it's wrong and unethical.

But when an unintended pregnancy occurs, what happens? Who pays for that? And who's complaining about pre- and post- fertilization options? The same people. The only way to satisfy them is if all kids stop having sex, which won't happen. Ever.

You're trying to suppress natural tendencies, and nature always wins. That's the reality of the situation.
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A fertilized egg is not a "baby".

Beliefs such as that, are why the Republicans are losing women and young voters.
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Also, of this list: Birthcontrol, Abortion, Welfare - Of that list, you have to allow women at least one of those options.
Why?
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