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Old 05-03-2013, 06:31 PM  
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Keep Stone Mountain carving a Confederate Memorial

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?



The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history? There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me. A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed.

Read what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.”

A online poll currently shows 95 percent of the people want to keep the Stone Mountain Carving of our heroes Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson as it is.

Let me caution you with this poll that we also won most of the polls for the 1956 Georgia “Soldier’s Memorial flag” our official State flag of Georgia conceived by Judge John Sammons Bells that was unceremoniously taken down in 2001. They did not listen to the people of Georgia back then.

Mississippian’s however, were allowed to vote on their 1890s State flag, that also includes the Confederate Battle flag in the design, and they chose to keep it. Georgian’s were allowed to vote on a State flag but their 1956 flag with the Confederate flag it its design, was excluded in the vote. Democracy was at work in Mississippi but not Georgia.

Stone Mountain has been filmed many times including in the 1954 movie “A Man called Peter” starring Richard Todd as Reverend Peter Marshall and Jean Peters as his wife.

Take the time to learn about the South’s President Jefferson Davis, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Gen. Stonewall Jackson who died 150 years ago on May 10, 1863 and share with your family.

Jefferson and wife Varina Davis adopted a Black child, Jim Limber Davis, in February 1864 and…

Booker T. Washington, America’s great Black-American Educator wrote in 1910, ‘The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday-school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Let’s not erase history!


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54938


A native of Georgia, Calvin Johnson, Chairman of the National and Georgia Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Confederate History Month Committee—-Scv.org lives near the historic town of Kennesaw and he’s a member of the Chattahoochee Guards Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is the author of the book “When America Stood for God, Family and Country.” Calvin can be reached at: cjohnson1861@bellsouth.net

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Old 05-04-2013, 11:25 AM   #61
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:35 AM   #62
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:40 AM   #63
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Let's destroy the three pyramids at Giza since the Egyptians held slaves at certain times and because it was totalitarian.
We should bring down Independence Hall too. They drafted a Constitution there that counted blacks as only 3/5ths of whites and that didn't allow women to vote. The latter is not enough to make up for the former.

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Old 05-04-2013, 11:53 AM   #64
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:05 PM   #66
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Or have races, wrestling matches or games of physical strength. Just no lions.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #67
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ALL history telling is based on viewpoints. Revisionist is a bogus term for this, as it implies a fabrication in any changes. Oftentimes, it's adding information that has been omitted. Afterall, history is always written by the victors.
In your case on this thread, it's ignoring 200 years of generally-agreed facts. Not even Rush Limbaugh would follow the arguments you've put forth on this thread, sorry to say.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:35 PM   #68
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The legal context? Our system is based on natural rights. These are inherent and precede govt's or legal systems. This is focusing on what the Founders intended. They gave us a negative rights document.
You're losing me with every successive post. No, the Constitution is a LAW. It is a legal document Buc. There is no esoteric stuff about "natural law" in there. The States signed a legally binding contract, and they knew what they were doing. You are not allowed to secede and the LAW says so.



You're trying to re-write history to fit your worldview. A worldview I largely share. But I can't ignore facts sorry. If Texas or New Hampshire wants to leave they must get permission from the US. If they leave without permission they have violated clear contract law.




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I mentioned it because it was a secession too. I'm hoping the EU breaks up next. Power needs to be diffused....we're all safer that way.

No we're not. There's strength in numbers. America is able to afford its military because 300 million Americans produce 1/4 of the entire planets economic output. That scale is critical to keeping the county safe. (Yes it is mis-used in empire building but that's another topic). 50 state armies would be tremendously inefficient and a mess.
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You're losing me with every successive post. No, the Constitution is a LAW. It is a legal document Buc. There is no esoteric stuff about "natural law" in there. The States signed a legally binding contract, and they knew what they were doing. You are not allowed to secede and the LAW says so.



You're trying to re-write history to fit your worldview. A worldview I largely share. But I can't ignore facts sorry. If Texas or New Hampshire wants to leave they must get permission from the US. If they leave without permission they have violated clear contract law.







No we're not. There's strength in numbers. America is able to afford its military because 300 million Americans produce 1/4 of the entire planets economic output. That scale is critical to keeping the county safe. (Yes it is mis-used in empire building but that's another topic). 50 state armies would be tremendously inefficient and a mess.
Even under the SCOTUS decision you cited, the "law" as you call it wasn't decided until the latter half of the 19th century. Your assertion that the founding fathers wanted to create a union in which the states required permission to leave is dubious at best. Afterall, they had just seceded from Great Britain and declared that to do so was the God given natural right of all men in 1776.
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Even under the SCOTUS decision you cited, the "law" as you call it wasn't decided until the latter half of the 19th century. Your assertion that the founding fathers wanted to create a union in which the states required permission to leave is dubious at best. Afterall, they had just seceded from Great Britain and declared that to do so was the God given natural right of all men in 1776.
There is nothing in the Constitution that allows for secession and if the Founders thought it was such an important concept it'd have been there. Bringing up England is a tangent bearing zero relevance to what the Founders agreed to in written law for the US. Plus as I said before they knew their lives were in jeopardy when they left England so that's a clear understanding that future States who did it might face the same fate. (Which they did)


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There is nothing in the Constitution that allows for secession and if the Founders thought it was such an important concept it'd have been there. Bringing up England is a tangent bearing zero relevance to what the Founders agreed to in written law for the US. Plus as I said before they knew their lives were in jeopardy when they left England so that's a clear understanding that future States who did it might face the same fate. (Which they did)


You and Buc are the ones using "dubious" arguments.
The Constitution was written to restrain the federal government, not it's subjects.

I find it pretty incredible that you think the Declaration of Independence has zero relevance when it comes to informing us about the views of our founding fathers on the principles of freedom and government on which they erected our country.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:45 PM   #72
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The Constitution was written to restrain the federal government, not it's subjects.

I find it pretty incredible that you think the Declaration of Independence has zero relevance when it comes to informing us about the views of our founding fathers on the principles of freedom and government on which they erected our country.
Well, Lincoln was attacked by the south for using the Declaration of the Independence as an argument against slavery. Guess things come full circle.
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Well, Lincoln was attacked by the south for using the Declaration of the Independence as an argument against slavery. Guess things come full circle.
That's a pretty uninteresting contribution. I'm left wondering why I should care.
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That's a pretty uninteresting contribution. I'm left wondering why I should care.
I'm glad you cared enough to comment.
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There is nothing in the Constitution that allows for secession and if the Founders thought it was such an important concept it'd have been there.
There is nothing in the Constitution barring secession either. It need not have been stated by the Founders since it's a negative rights document and only confers delegated powers specifically enumerated.


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You and Buc are the ones using "dubious" arguments.
I think you don't understand the issue of natural rights and negative rights along with delegated powers. If there is no delegated power, specifically enumerated then the feds have no authority to act in that area. As a fellow conservative, I would think you'd understand this idea as it's original intent and strict construction that conservatives claim to adhere to.
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