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Old 05-03-2013, 05:31 PM  
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Keep Stone Mountain carving a Confederate Memorial

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?



The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history? There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me. A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed.

Read what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.”

A online poll currently shows 95 percent of the people want to keep the Stone Mountain Carving of our heroes Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson as it is.

Let me caution you with this poll that we also won most of the polls for the 1956 Georgia “Soldier’s Memorial flag” our official State flag of Georgia conceived by Judge John Sammons Bells that was unceremoniously taken down in 2001. They did not listen to the people of Georgia back then.

Mississippian’s however, were allowed to vote on their 1890s State flag, that also includes the Confederate Battle flag in the design, and they chose to keep it. Georgian’s were allowed to vote on a State flag but their 1956 flag with the Confederate flag it its design, was excluded in the vote. Democracy was at work in Mississippi but not Georgia.

Stone Mountain has been filmed many times including in the 1954 movie “A Man called Peter” starring Richard Todd as Reverend Peter Marshall and Jean Peters as his wife.

Take the time to learn about the South’s President Jefferson Davis, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Gen. Stonewall Jackson who died 150 years ago on May 10, 1863 and share with your family.

Jefferson and wife Varina Davis adopted a Black child, Jim Limber Davis, in February 1864 and…

Booker T. Washington, America’s great Black-American Educator wrote in 1910, ‘The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday-school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Let’s not erase history!


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54938


A native of Georgia, Calvin Johnson, Chairman of the National and Georgia Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Confederate History Month Committee—-Scv.org lives near the historic town of Kennesaw and he’s a member of the Chattahoochee Guards Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is the author of the book “When America Stood for God, Family and Country.” Calvin can be reached at: cjohnson1861@bellsouth.net

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Old 05-04-2013, 09:00 PM   #106
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Low life's like JFK should be ripped off walls, monuments, airports and such since he invaded Cuba and got us involved with Vietnam. Same goes for that POS LBJ.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:15 PM   #107
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So if going by the Court, then I take it you support its judicial activism.

I don't need the court to interpret for me. I just need to read it.
It's not activism if its enumerated Buc. If the Court reverses their prior ruling on secession would that be activism too?
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:18 PM   #108
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:20 PM   #109
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To my knowledge Robert E. Lee did not own slaves.


Seriously?
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:23 PM   #110
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The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states. They were perpetual...but could be amended. In fact that was the original plan when the Founders met in Philly. Instead we got a runaway convention. I don't know why you're bringing the Articles up because it what was done at the CC resulted in a breach of contract. The Articles also provided for what was considered a weak central govt. I doubt the south would have had a problem under it.

A contract amendment that is adopted/ratified by all parties is fully enforceable, regardless of what the original plan was for the amendment.

This whole line of argument makes no sense. Never has, and never will.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:31 PM   #111
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He didn't even oppose slavery or want to end it.
This is a classic case of you taking a fact and then taking it about 82 steps too far.

Since he emancipated the slaves, it's totally ****ing obvious that he DID oppose slavery and wanted to end it. That isn't why he fought the war, but he took advantage of eliminating slavery when he thought it was politically feasible and advantageous to do so.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:25 AM   #112
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This is a classic case of you taking a fact and then taking it about 82 steps too far.

Since he emancipated the slaves, it's totally ****ing obvious that he DID oppose slavery and wanted to end it. That isn't why he fought the war, but he took advantage of eliminating slavery when he thought it was politically feasible and advantageous to do so.
In BEP's revisionist history tonight, I've learned that many slaveholders, including George Washington and Robert E. Lee, were actually opposed to slavery, but recognized that it was best for the slaves to continue on as slaves, because that way they would learn the discipline and skills needed for later, if a day ever came when they weren't slaves.

I suppose they could have freed their slaves and paid them to do the work. but that propabaly would have been a hassle with paperwork and such.
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Old 05-05-2013, 04:48 AM   #113
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Low life's like JFK should be ripped off walls, monuments, airports and such since he invaded Cuba and got us involved with Vietnam. Same goes for that POS LBJ.
I just don't understand some of the right's insistance through the years that JFK got us involved in Vietnam. It's like they completely lose an obvious chunk of verifiable history. Same goes with Afghanistan and Obama. I can't tell you how many times I have heard Afghanistan is Obama's war from Republicans. When we invaded the damn place a full 7 years before he was was elected to President. Shift in operations doesn't make it his war in the same sense Nixon's shift in strategy in Vietnam didn't make it his war as well.

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November 1, 1955 President Eisenhower deploys the Military Assistance Advisory Group to train the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. This marks the official beginning of American involvement in the war as recognized by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:30 AM   #114
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The majority of the population in the 1860's, north and south, did not agree that secession was constitutional. Of course, BEP knows better than the people who actually lived the history.

Robert E. Lee, January 1861: "Secession is nothing but revolution. The Framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will."
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:33 AM   #115
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This is a classic case of you taking a fact and then taking it about 82 steps too far.

Since he emancipated the slaves, it's totally ****ing obvious that he DID oppose slavery and wanted to end it. That isn't why he fought the war, but he took advantage of eliminating slavery when he thought it was politically feasible and advantageous to do so.
This has been pointed out to BEP time and time again. Actual Lincoln quotes, votes Lincoln took in Congress, none of the matters in the Fanatical(closed minded revisionism) history of BEP. Ignore everything that disagrees with the Fanatical viewpoint.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:40 AM   #116
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This has been pointed out to BEP time and time again. Actual Lincoln quotes, votes Lincoln took in Congress, none of the matters in the Fanatical(closed minded revisionism) history of BEP. Ignore everything that disagrees with the Fanatical viewpoint.
Here is a specific example BEP will ignore for Fanatical revisionism. Lincoln introduced a bill in end slavery in D.C.

Lincoln, Abraham. A Bill to Abolish Slavery in the District of Columbia January 1849, manuscript.

Abraham Lincoln, A Bill for Abolishing Slavery in the District of Columbia [Draft]1, [January 1849]

A bill for an act to abolish slavery in the District of Columbia, by the consent of the free white people of said District, and with compensation to owners--



From: http://condor.depaul.edu/tps/Abraham...ishSlavery.htm

/BEP doesn't read primary sources.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:31 AM   #117
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It should be kept. People need to remember essential parts of our history, which includes the stupidity of defending and celebrating a shameful system of apartheid.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:37 AM   #118
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The majority of the population in the 1860's, north and south, did not agree that secession was constitutional.
Marjority opinion is irrelevant....particularly after Lincoln ginned up support for the war with Ft Sumter. There were still editorials written saying the union was voluntary. No wonder Lincoln shut down printing presses. That's the act of a tyrant. Other than that, our system was designed to prevent the majority from stomping on the minority. Thus, the words of Madison at the Constitutional Convention and the final decision on using force on a seceding state were scrapped.

Bottom line: No authority for the federal govt to use force to prevent secession. I provided the words and the link. You choose to ignore it. Most statists do.

As usual Progs love the force and violence of the state to force people into doing what they think is right.

In the meantime loneiguana, ignores the fact that Lincoln said different things to different people, (by citing selectively) because he was a lying politician. This is why historians are not in agreement on where he really stood on slavery. But he definitely didn't fight the war for slavery....only when it was a means to an end.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:41 AM   #119
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It's not activism if its enumerated Buc. If the Court reverses their prior ruling on secession would that be activism too?
There's no enumeration on the feds using force to prevent secession.
The SC is not the sole arbiter of what is constitutional....that's why nullification has been used.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:58 AM   #120
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There's no enumeration on the feds using force to prevent secession.
The SC is not the sole arbiter of what is constitutional....that's why nullification has been used.
You're getting desperate now, since you weren't aware the Constitution granted Judiciary this power. So you're reduced to admitting the Constitution itself doesn't really matter after all, what with all that "bias" and potential for errors.



Why don't you just tap out, cry uncle and admit you want to trash the Constitution every bit as much as the Libs do?
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