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Old 01-23-2011, 10:58 AM  
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Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:46 AM   #4996
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I have my heart set on a Springfield operator 1911. Around $1200. I can't decide if I want to sell my m&p 40 and nagant to get it though.
Here's a Sig 1911 - http://www.copesdistributing.com/191...1r-p-6616.html
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:50 AM   #4997
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I thought i read somewhere once that Sigs don't take the universal 1911 mags.

.....at least I 'think' i read that .
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:53 AM   #4998
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Does anyone own or have a Magnum Research Desert Eagle 1911?



My dealer wants 790 for a brand new one, which I know is a great deal. Any info on this pistol?

I own a S&W 1911 and love it. The DE will be a gift.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:57 AM   #4999
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Does anyone own or have a Magnum Research Desert Eagle 1911?



My dealer wants 790 for a brand new one, which I know is a great deal. Any info on this pistol?

I own a S&W 1911 and love it. The DE will be a gift.
you're 'dealer'?
what will $20 get me?
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:07 AM   #5000
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you're 'dealer'?
what will $20 get me?
20 rounds of 5.56.


I think guns are more expensive than drugs, and just as addictive.
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Old 05-05-2013, 03:37 PM   #5001
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I'm told that we now have all the components needed to reload .223.

Just waiting for our gunsmith to come over and help us with the initial setup. Apparently it's significantly more involved than reloading pistol ammo.
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Old 05-05-2013, 04:24 PM   #5002
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I'm told that we now have all the components needed to reload .223.

Just waiting for our gunsmith to come over and help us with the initial setup. Apparently it's significantly more involved than reloading pistol ammo.
Im up-ing my game. My buddy has the melting pot & has been casting 9mm for several years.
Its time to take the next step & start casting 45

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Old 05-05-2013, 04:51 PM   #5003
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:38 PM   #5004
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:50 AM   #5005
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I'm told that we now have all the components needed to reload .223.

Just waiting for our gunsmith to come over and help us with the initial setup. Apparently it's significantly more involved than reloading pistol ammo.
It definitely takes more work, but it is not that hard. Like anything, you can make it harder or easier and get a higher level of precision with diminishing returns. The main differences are you must prep the cases and lubricate. You will need to trim the cases (generally only once, maybe twice over the life of a .223 case). Many people also like to chamfer, many trimmers do that automatically. Additionally, most .223/5.56 brass is military brass, and the primer pockets have a crimp in them that must be swaged out.

My process for .223 on my Dillon 650 is two stages. On the first tool head, I have a decapping/resizing die in station one and in station three I have a Dillion 1200b Rapid Trim. The Rapid Trim actually does the resizing. I have the other die set up only to decap really.

Tool head #2 has the powder die in station 2, bullet seater in station 3. I have a factory crimp die that I could put in station 4, but I've never used it.

My .223 process:
  1. Tumble cases
  2. Put cases on cookie sheet covered in foil, spray with Dillon Case Lube, or RCBS case lube
  3. Use tool head 1 to decap, resize, and trim
  4. Use Dillon Super Swage 600 to swage primer pockets if necessary (you only have to do this once)
  5. Re-Tumble, gets the case lube off
  6. Use toolhead 2 to prime, charge, seat bullet
  7. shoot ammunition at various targets
  8. giggle

I HIGHLY recommend the Rapid Trim and the Super Swager 600. They are not cheap, and it will feel like you are just throwing money at it, but goddamn those things work so good.

I HATE trimming cases. All of the ways to do it, that do not include either a Giraud, Gracey, or Dillon Rapid Trim are annoying, tedious, imperfect, and irritating. I've tried using an RCBS rotary trimmer, the cheap Lee trimmers, and other hand methods. I even tried a lathe once. They are all workable, but if you are loading .223 in bulk - and if you have a Dillon 650, you should be - it is just too much work. They work fine if you are making a batch of 20 hunting rounds for the season, but if you are making a thousand, they are torture devices.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:15 AM   #5006
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The main differences are you must prep the cases and lubricate.
Now where's wickedson when you need him? I'm sure he's an expert at prepping and lubricating thin objects under 3".
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:42 AM   #5007
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I use Pam cooking spray to lubricate. My first time out I used to much lub & was crushing the neck. Now I just put a bunch on a cookie sheet & spray them with Pam. fast simple lil to no mess
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:45 AM   #5008
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I'd like to give reloading a go one of these days. Though, I don't own a rifle, and I'm not sure how long it would take to get an ROI loading 9mm. I do, however, want a 1911 badly, so .45 would go as well.

dunno. I guess with prices the way they are, and will probalby not decrease by all that much going forward, it might be somthing to pursue. dunno.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:56 AM   #5009
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It definitely takes more work, but it is not that hard. Like anything, you can make it harder or easier and get a higher level of precision with diminishing returns. The main differences are you must prep the cases and lubricate. You will need to trim the cases (generally only once, maybe twice over the life of a .223 case). Many people also like to chamfer, many trimmers do that automatically. Additionally, most .223/5.56 brass is military brass, and the primer pockets have a crimp in them that must be swaged out.

My process for .223 on my Dillon 650 is two stages. On the first tool head, I have a decapping/resizing die in station one and in station three I have a Dillion 1200b Rapid Trim. The Rapid Trim actually does the resizing. I have the other die set up only to decap really.

Tool head #2 has the powder die in station 2, bullet seater in station 3. I have a factory crimp die that I could put in station 4, but I've never used it.

My .223 process:
  1. Tumble cases
  2. Put cases on cookie sheet covered in foil, spray with Dillon Case Lube, or RCBS case lube
  3. Use tool head 1 to decap, resize, and trim
  4. Use Dillon Super Swage 600 to swage primer pockets if necessary (you only have to do this once)
  5. Re-Tumble, gets the case lube off
  6. Use toolhead 2 to prime, charge, seat bullet
  7. shoot ammunition at various targets
  8. giggle

I HIGHLY recommend the Rapid Trim and the Super Swager 600. They are not cheap, and it will feel like you are just throwing money at it, but goddamn those things work so good.

I HATE trimming cases. All of the ways to do it, that do not include either a Giraud, Gracey, or Dillon Rapid Trim are annoying, tedious, imperfect, and irritating. I've tried using an RCBS rotary trimmer, the cheap Lee trimmers, and other hand methods. I even tried a lathe once. They are all workable, but if you are loading .223 in bulk - and if you have a Dillon 650, you should be - it is just too much work. They work fine if you are making a batch of 20 hunting rounds for the season, but if you are making a thousand, they are torture devices.
Thanks. I assume we'll end up going with both of these - my buddy and I were discussing getting a trimmer last night.

What are your thoughts on bullets? Do you have any suppliers you recommend?
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"Just spray it down with some PAM"
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