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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-06-2013, 10:16 AM   #121
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I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.
No way. If the team goes 8-8, they won't even have a 2nd rounder to help trade up. If they fall short of that, it can't possibly be Andy Reid's master plan to trade a 2nd and a 3rd for 1 year stop gap. If he was looking toward the 2014 QB class, he would have picked up a cheaper stop gap (who probably would have helped out by leading to a worse record and a better draft position).

If a desirable QB falls to the Chiefs in the 1st of the 2014 draft, I can see them taking him, but I don't see them trading up in the 1st.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:18 AM   #122
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When was the last time the Chiefs record was 8-8?
So now...we're the Raiders? Awesome.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:20 AM   #123
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So if you are Dorsey/Reid what is your plan you present to Clark KNOWING you already have Cassel, NO legit Luck with the 1st pick, YOU are the new regime that has to win now and it's a QB driven league and only one decent FA QB on the market(with many other suitors as well)and your potential new trading partner knows the predicament you are in ?

Clark: "Fellas, I have a pissed off fan base and losing $$ and I need to win now and do not feel comfortable about this upcoming QB draft class using it with our No.1 pick.

TC/KC: "Clark, with all due respect it is Geno or BUST !!!

Clark: "I can't afford another high risk BUST and neither can this fan base. I realize we need a QB and the fan base wants a QB with the first pick of this draft but that is out of the question if there is no sure fire "Luck" in this draft. And I can't afford to tank this season for a better QB class next year. That's just stupid. What other options do we have?

TC/KC: "There are no other options Clark, Geno or BUST !!

Clark: I hired you guys for 'no other options' ?

TC/KC: Unless you want to sacrifice high future draft picks for AS that has only had 1 and 1/2 yrs of prod QBing out of his 7yr career ?

Clark: "Well, I guess this is the price I have to pay for no leverage because I have to win now because no way in hell I go the QB draft class for this year and stuck with the Jags/Jets type problem in 2 years STILL LOSING AND STILL HAVING TO PAY A KINGS RANSOM !!
I haven't said Geno or bust although that is who I would have been happy with. They could have given a FA a chance to redeem himself like a Vince Young and tell Clark Hunt that we are keeping options open at quarterback going into next years draft and we are going to build this team through the draft if it takes a couple years to get the right guy then it takes a couple years to get the right guy.

Heavens if we would draft quarterbacks in back to back years after going 30 years not drafting a quarterback in the first round.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:21 AM   #124
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We better tank if we're 7-8.
No more than six, tops. I guaran****ingtee it.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:23 AM   #125
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We still don't have a quarterback competition, we are just stuck to watch who they force down our throats.


They do what ever it takes to avoid QB controversy and plug in their guy.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:24 AM   #126
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Which GMDM do you want? The one who was universally reviled and ridiculed for the awful trades he made his first few years here, or the one who built the best farm system in baseball and turned the team into one of the better young teams in baseball?

If you guys had been in charge of the Royals, Dayton Moore would have been fired years ago. No, check that. Dayton Moore would have been fired before his team ever played a single game.
The one that appears to at least get value for what he gives up when he makes big time deals. The Chiefs basically traded Will Myers for Luke Hochevar.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:27 AM   #127
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Depends on how injuries play out for us and the teams we are playing. It's a cupcake schedule which is why this was even a dumber decision by Dorsey/Reid. I still think 5 or 6 wins if Alex is who we know him to be.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:28 AM   #128
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NO they didn't and worse is if we have to give up next years second round pick when 2014 is suppose to have a better QB draft class. This is the problem now. This is what makes this trade so bad. **** Alex Smith he was not worth the risk of 2 twos and give up a chance at future QB prospects of the draft. No matter how much anyone wants to spin it they didn't have to take that deal.
I'm pretty sure that the 2014 QB draft class isn't as good as the 2013. Logan Thomas was downright horrible this past season and wanted to come out, but was basically forced back into school through his own terrible play. He's a hobo's version of EJ Manuel.

Aaron Murray is as up and down as you can find at the QB spot and has never played up to the competition. Comparable to Ryan Nassib.

Teddy Bridgewater is a nice player, but he's not at the same level as Geno Smith in terms of tools, arm and presence.

Tajh Boyd is decent and has improved, but he's not Russell Wilson by any stretch.

IMO, the best two QB's of this class are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State (absolute winner with a great arm and excellent athleticism - reminds me of a smaller Colin Kaepernick at the same stage) and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Both are very accurate, athletic with very good arms. Both are winners. Both are coming off superb 2012 seasons and aren't getting any attention from the national press for whatever reason. But both will be juniors and might not even declare. I'd take Keeton in a heartbeat if I were the Chiefs.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:31 AM   #129
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Anyone who even remotely criticized the Redskins for what they traded for RGIII should be ****ing crucifying the Chiefs for the Alex Smith trade.
This. And can we please, PLEASE put this myth to rest that Alice was a "hot commodity" that teams were just banging the table night and day for, and that the Chiefs "won" in the end? Ridiculous.
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Fantastic. We've located the problem.

Now: fix that in the 2013 offseason. Go ahead. I'll wait.

...

I'm guessing you can't.

So if you can't get one, maybe you should expend the resources necessary to land yourself a solid option or two while you continue building the team.
I think that the Jets did just that, but time will tell who got the better end of the deal.

Chiefs get Eric Fisher when they already had Branden Albert, Don Stephenson and Jeff Allen, and a 29 year old, often injured Alex Smith as well as Mike DeVito and Sean Smith. They also lose their 2nd rounder in 2014.

Jets get Geno Smith, Dee Milliner and Sheldon Richardson.

Chiefs, if they don't trade for Alex Smith could have had either Milliner or Richardson versus Sean Smith and Mike DeVito and Geno Smith.

It will be interesting to see how both teams progress with those players.
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Depends on how injuries play out for us and the teams we are playing. It's a cupcake schedule which is why this was even a dumber decision by Dorsey/Reid. I still think 5 or 6 wins if Alex is who we know him to be.
My final record is 5-11, but I'm factoring in a possibility of at least two more wins due to the upgrade at O line, AND the possibility that Smith can actually complete his checkdowns.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:38 AM   #133
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The one that appears to at least get value for what he gives up when he makes big time deals. The Chiefs basically traded Will Myers for Luke Hochevar.
So where were you when Dayton Moore made disastrous trades for guys like Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Sheely, Kyle Davies, Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Jacobs? How about when he signed free agent failures like Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, and Yuniesky Betancourt (again)?

Apparently you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW, even though he made some decisions early-on that were head-scratchers, yet you can't stop pissing and moaning about Reid and Dorsey, even though the Chiefs team they are putting together hasn't taken a single snap on the field.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:39 AM   #134
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I keep trying to get over it and just move on but this was just a terrible,terrible trade.

we got ripped off

Even if Alex Smith ends up being better than i expect, we got totally hosed.
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Matt Flynn for late-round picks in '14 and '15 with Geno in the second? Or Alex Smith for second rounders this year and next?
None of those guys are going to win you a Super Bowl in the next couple of seasons...

Take the best option to mentor a developmental QB, ie. Tyler Bray.

Let Tyler learn the playbook and mature for a season or two under Smith like Kaep did.
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