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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-06-2013, 09:40 AM   #136
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So where were you when Dayton Moore made disastrous trades for guys like Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Sheely, Kyle Davies, Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Jacobs? How about when he signed free agent failures like Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, and Yuniesky Betancourt (again)?

Apparently you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW, even though he made some decisions early-on that were head-scratchers, yet you can't stop pissing and moaning about Reid and Dorsey, even though the Chiefs team they are putting together hasn't taken a single snap on the field.
Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. The early moves were basically trading shit for shit. Which would be more along the lines of trading a 5th round pick for Smith, because than you are trading shit for shit. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:40 AM   #137
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:41 AM   #138
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I'm pretty sure that the 2014 QB draft class isn't as good as the 2013. Logan Thomas was downright horrible this past season and wanted to come out, but was basically forced back into school through his own terrible play. He's a hobo's version of EJ Manuel.

Aaron Murray is as up and down as you can find at the QB spot and has never played up to the competition. Comparable to Ryan Nassib.

Teddy Bridgewater is a nice player, but he's not at the same level as Geno Smith in terms of tools, arm and presence.

Tajh Boyd is decent and has improved, but he's not Russell Wilson by any stretch.

IMO, the best two QB's of this class are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State (absolute winner with a great arm and excellent athleticism - reminds me of a smaller Colin Kaepernick at the same stage) and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Both are very accurate, athletic with very good arms. Both are winners. Both are coming off superb 2012 seasons and aren't getting any attention from the national press for whatever reason. But both will be juniors and might not even declare. I'd take Keeton in a heartbeat if I were the Chiefs.
And we won't draft a QB next year.....so it doesn't matter.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:42 AM   #139
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Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!
The point is that you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW. You would have fired him before his team played a single game if you acted then the way you are acting now.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:42 AM   #140
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:46 AM   #141
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The point is that you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW. You would have fired him before his team played a single game if you acted then the way you are acting now.
No, I wouldn't have. You're comparing apples and oranges. An NFL franchise can be turned around 1 one year. You're making more out of my statement than was intended. Basically it's just a shot that the Chiefs are making more idiotic moves. Same shit different guys.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:46 AM   #142
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Something is missing here. So what if Alex Smith is injured and we go 8-8 with Daniels? Do we still owe a 2nd? Alex Smith staying healthy is a bigger issue I would think when it comes to a conditional pick. So this report seems kind of off.
The part that's missing is the Chiefs' competency.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:48 AM   #143
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I haven't said Geno or bust although that is who I would have been happy with. They could have given a FA a chance to redeem himself like a Vince Young and tell Clark Hunt that we are keeping options open at quarterback going into next years draft and we are going to build this team through the draft if it takes a couple years to get the right guy then it takes a couple years to get the right guy.

Heavens if we would draft quarterbacks in back to back years after going 30 years not drafting a quarterback in the first round.
**** that Vince Young shit. We could have signed Jason Campbell as a unrestricted free agent really cheap and still got a guy with a better arm and upside than Alex Smith.

Hell, I'll be surprised if Jason Campbell isn't the Browns starting QB this season over Weeden, and the Browns only paid him 3.75 million over two years. That's ****ing cheaper than what we paid for that fat midget to back up Alex Smith.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:48 AM   #144
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Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. The early moves were basically trading shit for shit. Which would be more along the lines of trading a 5th round pick for Smith, because than you are trading shit for shit. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!
Seriously? Leo Nunez (AKA Juan Carlos Oviedo) immediately became the closer for the Marlins. His save totals for the first 3 years with the team were 26, 30, and 36. That doesn't sound like shit to me. However, Mike Jacobs, the guy the Royals got for Nunez, WAS shit.

Face it: You are holding Reid and Dorsey to a different standard than GMDM. You shouldn't have brought up GMDM.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:50 AM   #145
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**** that Vince Young shit. We could have signed Jason Campbell as a unrestricted free agent really cheap and still got a guy with a better arm and upside than Alex Smith.

Hell, I'll be surprised if Jason Campbell isn't the Browns starting QB this season over Weeden, and the Browns only paid him 3.75 million over two years. That's ****ing cheaper than what we paid for that fat midget to back up Alex Smith.
Jason Campbell is the guy I hoped the Chiefs would pick up as their stopgap.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:51 AM   #146
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None of those guys are going to win you a Super Bowl in the next couple of seasons...

Take the best option to mentor a developmental QB, ie. Tyler Bray.

Let Tyler learn the playbook and mature for a season or two under Smith like Kaep did.
You're assuming that Tyler Bray has the capacity to actually sit down in front of a book and look at words, structure them into sentences and then comprehend their meaning.

That's a pretty big assumption my friend.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:52 AM   #147
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:54 AM   #148
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Dissapointing...I thought the second rounder barrier would of been higher. Essentially theyre saying if we go .500 that's good enough.
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You're assuming that Tyler Bray has the capacity to actually sit down in front of a book and look at words, structure them into sentences and then comprehend their meaning.

That's a pretty big assumption my friend.
Yes, I know.

The guy had the best arm in the draft and we got him for pennies. It will become fairly evident within the season, I guess, whether or not he possesses the aptitude to learn an NFL playbook.

If he is as dumb as he comes off....bring in another QB next year. I hate the Alex Smith trade. But with the options out there, I would rather have him come in and mentor a developmental guy than any other option out there.
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