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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-08-2013, 06:42 PM   #1081
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At the very least, I found this article to be interesting in this boring time of the offseason.... It is not here as "proof" of anything.

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Alex Smith trends improvement in: Completion %, Yards per Completion, Yards per Game, Quarterback Rating, Touchdown %, total touchdowns, Interception %, and total interceptions.

Alex Smith trends negatively in: Pass Attempts per Game only

My Conclusion

Alex Smith is not Tom Brady. But, Alex Smith is also NOT Matt Cassel. Alex Smith's future looks bright--at least as bright as Joe Flacco's.
Flacco stepped up big time in the SB. He has spurts of excellent play, and has a good deep ball. All that said, I think he is very overrated, and remarkably overpaid.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:59 PM   #1082
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No. But a 10-win season in which the Chiefs have no chance of doing anything in the playoffs feels no different to me than a 5-win season. Or even a 3-win season.
Call me a True Fan or a Homer if you must. If this team does win 9 or 10 games and gets into the playoffs, I'm not so sure that we are in line for the automatic ass kicking many here think we would get. The core of our football team is very good. Charles, Bowe, DJ, Hali, Albert, Flowers, and even Berry to go along side of Smith should not get blown out like some young rookie team.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:16 PM   #1083
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Call me a True Fan or a Homer if you must. If this team does win 9 or 10 games and gets into the playoffs, I'm not so sure that we are in line for the automatic ass kicking many here think we would get. The core of our football team is very good. Charles, Bowe, DJ, Hali, Albert, Flowers, and even Berry to go along side of Smith should not get blown out like some young rookie team.
Yep. Anything can happen in the playoffs.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:38 PM   #1084
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Call me a True Fan or a Homer if you must. If this team does win 9 or 10 games and gets into the playoffs, I'm not so sure that we are in line for the automatic ass kicking many here think we would get. The core of our football team is very good. Charles, Bowe, DJ, Hali, Albert, Flowers, and even Berry to go along side of Smith should not get blown out like some young rookie team.
We do have a good core, and for the most part, it's at important positions. We just need the core guys to play up to their ability, unlike last year.

We actually added some nice young talent this year as well that can add to said core, in Fisher and Kelsey, among others.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:41 PM   #1085
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Not true.

The window is open. But it will be closing by 2014. This team isn't as young as you think it is, not by a long shot. The window was opening when Scooter took over the reigns and drove the team into a mountain.

4 years later all the young talent that came in over the last couple years of Herm's time here is approaching the end of their prime years.

This isn't a team that should be rebuilding, but it's definitely a team that should be operating with the knowledge that a rebuild will be necessary by 2015. And honestly, looking at this draft, I think that's exactly what they did. They went after Smith knowing that they need some base-level competency at the position in order to take advantage of the primes of their best players. They then used the rest of the draft on picks that many of us see as somewhat redundant picks, but on BPA guys that they realize will probably be needed to step in sooner than you think.

As I've taken a longer look at this draft, I think they did a very smart thing in how they approached it. This team isn't a young team anymore and Reid/Dorsey wisely approached it as a team starting from scratch.
Read this today while at the chiropractor and didn't get a chance to respond. Damn dentistry will get the back, if you don't stay on top of taking care of it.

However, like you said, the "core" here isn't so young. We needed to add the next wave of "core" guys to go along with Berry, Houston, Poe etc.

Hopefully Fisher can be that guy, among another draft pick or two
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:55 PM   #1086
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Alex is going to have to be something he has never been for that to happen. I have major concerns about them addressing the QBOTF. First was the price tag they paid which was the equivalent of a 1st round pick and next is the likely support Alex will gain amongst "TrueFans" from the inevitable improvement on the 2-4 win seasons. We could have made moves to stock pile picks next year to make moves if that was the plan and we didn't.

I'm not so sure I see anyone but Alex being the QB for the next 2 years minimum(most likely 3-4) and I think the fan base had waited long enough to find their franchise QB only to be saddled with trying to be "coompetitive" now and mortgage the future. I hope your right, but the honest truth is their are a lot of signs that point to them believing Alex is their guy for likely 4 years , just like ***** had planned for Cassell while we were are in denial about that.

You have to remember Alex was only "successful" when Harbaugh came in and turned the 9ers in the Marty Chiefs. The less attempts Alex got the better his numbers became. So now we bring in a head coach who is known for throwing the ball all over the yard and we are expecting Alex to be successul doing something that he has shown to suck as going? It seems like we are trying to mix oil and water here.
Reid is a smart, successful coach.

He's got a team that was built to support a quarterback that needed a solid defense, run support and possession receiving to be successful. The problem is, the QB's that we've had have been downright atrocious in this build. Alex Smith is not. He's a good QB. And he'll have the correct system/players around him to be successful right off the bat here in Kansas City.

Guys like Charles and Bowe have to be elated to have a guy like Smith after suffering through the Cassel years. Yes, Smith isn't going to take the top off of a defense via his arm, but he will give guys like Bowe, Fasano, Moeaki, Charles and even McCluster the opportunity to make plays and those are the guys you want making the plays. These are guys who've put up very, very solid numbers with absolute dogshit getting them the ball. Smith has very good timing and will get these guys the ball at the right time in the correct space that will let them do their thing.

He will keep the ball in play and keep the offense on the field. With not only Smith, but Colquitt, we'll win the ball position battle. With our defense not playing 70% of the game on the field, they'll be in positions to have our playmakers on that side of the ball be more effective. Hali and Houston will have the gas to get after QB's in the fourth quarter. Our defensive linemen will still have push against the O-line late in the game.

Alex Smith will have a cumulative positive effect on the entire team in a game situation. No, he's not Elway, but he can be a very effective game manager and this is exactly what this team needs as it's currently built.

Like I said, I wanted that QBOTF, but I'm going going to lament the signing of Smith. It's a solid pickup. I don't think we could have done better in terms of a known quantity/quality and it will definitely make this team better right from the get go.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:01 PM   #1087
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Reid is a smart, successful coach.

He's got a team that was built to support a quarterback that needed a solid defense, run support and possession receiving to be successful. The problem is, the QB's that we've had have been downright atrocious in this build. Alex Smith is not. He's a good QB. And he'll have the correct system/players around him to be successful right off the bat here in Kansas City.

Guys like Charles and Bowe have to be elated to have a guy like Smith after suffering through the Cassel years. Yes, Smith isn't going to take the top off of a defense via his arm, but he will give guys like Bowe, Fasano, Moeaki, Charles and even McCluster the opportunity to make plays and those are the guys you want making the plays. These are guys who've put up very, very solid numbers with absolute dogshit getting them the ball. Smith has very good timing and will get these guys the ball at the right time in the correct space that will let them do their thing.

He will keep the ball in play and keep the offense on the field. With not only Smith, but Colquitt, we'll win the ball position battle. With our defense not playing 70% of the game on the field, they'll be in positions to have our playmakers on that side of the ball be more effective. Hali and Houston will have the gas to get after QB's in the fourth quarter. Our defensive linemen will still have push against the O-line late in the game.

Alex Smith will have a cumulative positive effect on the entire team in a game situation. No, he's not Elway, but he can be a very effective game manager and this is exactly what this team needs as it's currently built.

Like I said, I wanted that QBOTF, but I'm going going to lament the signing of Smith. It's a solid pickup. I don't think we could have done better in terms of a known quantity/quality and it will definitely make this team better right from the get go.
I agree with most here.

My only problem with it is, Reid isn't really known to run an offense like that. They're gonna throw it around and try and score points.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:43 PM   #1088
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I agree with most here.

My only problem with it is, Reid isn't really known to run an offense like that. They're gonna throw it around and try and score points.
Sure, but it's going to be a more calculated, controlled passing attack. It will be a BYU/LaVell Edwards west coast style of offense which will play to Smith's strengths. Reid was a graduate assistant under Edwards and it's where he learned the basis for his coaching. And while Smith doesn't have a Stafford arm, he's got enough and he's accurate. He'll get it to the playmakers on this team. And there are playmakers on this team.

Reid knows enough of Smith's game to make him his priority signing this offseason. Don't think that he's not going to make the adjustments necessary to make Smith successful in his system. He gave Donovan McNabb the adjustments to be an All-Pro who ends up horribad once he leaves Reid's system. Mike Vick has his best year ever with Reid and he's a completely different QB than McNabb. Smith is very smart and will easily adapt to what Reid has planned and Reid's understanding of the game and the QB position will enable him to get the most out of Smith.

This is going to be a much better team than what we all saw under the Peeholi and Herm years. Last year was as bad as it can get for an NFL football team. 2013 will be substantially better.

I'm over the disappointment of not using that #1 pick on a QB, as much as I wanted Geno. I'm objective enough to realize that they made some very good to superb coaching hirings and very solid free agent pickups at the necessary positions. This team will be able to compete with any team in the league from the get go.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:17 PM   #1089
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Guys like Charles and Bowe have to be elated to have a guy like Smith after suffering through the Cassel.
What's the most receptions and TDs scored by a WR with Smith as QB?
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:23 PM   #1090
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:27 PM   #1091
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Why is this a good outcome?

So typical of Chiefs fan think.

I hope we win 7 and avoid drafting (Insert QB name)- even though there's a year before the next draft, and we have no idea what his stock will do in that year - because drafting a QB is too big a risk and we have an undrafted FA QB to pin our hopes on!
Uh, its a good outcome becuse if this years class was poop, next years is sub-poop. Barring major revalations, Bridgewater and Johnny can full-on suck it. Besides, how are we going use those first-rounders on D-line if we take a QB?
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:30 PM   #1092
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I don't think many here think Alex is gonna come in and shit the bed...in fact, I think even the guys (like myself) that don't like the trade acknowledge that AS will come in and vastly improve this team.

I think the heart of the disagreements are when we talk about how far this team can go with him at QB. That's talking about how he will perform against the top defenses, given his physical limitations.

That's where I think the move pisses people off.

We, again, traded for a guy that a true contender deemed "not good enough to win it all with"

I think this is a classic alpha male type move where Andy Reid genuinely thinks he can get Alex Myth to play at a higher level than Jim Harbaugh did and hopefully, he is right.

Truth be told, after all the bitching about these things, I'm just as excited as I would have been last year if we had re-signed Kyle Orton...not much more.
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Call me a True Fan or a Homer if you must. If this team does win 9 or 10 games and gets into the playoffs, I'm not so sure that we are in line for the automatic ass kicking many here think we would get.
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Maybe. I do have a big "if" before the winning 9 or 10 games. We get there, I think this team may just be legit. But I'm not going to bet the farm we get there just yet either.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:06 PM   #1095
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I don't think many here think Alex is gonna come in and shit the bed...in fact, I think even the guys (like myself) that don't like the trade acknowledge that AS will come in and vastly improve this team.

I think the heart of the disagreements are when we talk about how far this team can go with him at QB. That's talking about how he will perform against the top defenses, given his physical limitations.

That's where I think the move pisses people off.

We, again, traded for a guy that a true contender deemed "not good enough to win it all with"

I think this is a classic alpha male type move where Andy Reid genuinely thinks he can get Alex Myth to play at a higher level than Jim Harbaugh did and hopefully, he is right.

Truth be told, after all the bitching about these things, I'm just as excited as I would have been last year if we had re-signed Kyle Orton...not much more.
No. I'll go on record now and say there is a very good chance he shits the bed and this trade is a first class cluster **** of a disaster. The easy schedule really helps, but against good teams especially teams with a good offense we will struggle big time.

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