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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-09-2013, 12:58 PM   #1186
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Yeah, as it turned out the consenus was pretty much wrong on that one.
How do you figure? And I liked Vermeil. He delegates, very well. The Martz offense, for a few years and with the perfect personal to run it, took the NFL by storm. Vermeil was this close to being a complete failure in St.L.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:47 PM   #1187
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How do you figure? And I liked Vermeil. He delegates, very well. The Martz offense, for a few years and with the perfect personal to run it, took the NFL by storm. Vermeil was this close to being a complete failure in St.L.
Well I figure since Vermeil was able to duplicate the offensive success in KC that he had with the Rams with Al Saunders while Martz ended up bouncing around coordinator and QB coaching jobs the rest of his career after the Bulger years. I mean are we really comparing a guy that took 2 different teams to a Superbowl and a third team to a 13-3 record to Mike Martz?

However, let's be honest here. Their success in St. Louis was primarily due stumbling into having a HOF QB behind center. Warner>Vermeil>Martz
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:49 PM   #1188
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Well I figure since Vermeil was able to duplicate the offensive success in KC that he had with the Rams with Al Saunders while Martz ended up bouncing around coordinator and QB coaching jobs the rest of his career after the Bulger years. I mean are we really comparing a guy that took 2 different teams to a Superbowl and a third team to a 13-3 record to Mike Martz?

However, let's be honest here. Their success in St. Louis was primarily due stumbling into having a HOF QB behind center. Warner>Vermeil>Martz
Yep, and the wide receivers weren't too bad either.

I think DV was very good for the team at that time, after the depths it had sunk to during the last years of Marty then Gunther.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #1189
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I'm pretty positive we won't have a 2nd round pick next year.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:54 PM   #1190
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At this point, Dorsey is a damned Yes Man in Reid's monkey circus! If Reid can't win the games that matter in two to three years, John Dorsey will be looking for a new coach.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:57 PM   #1192
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Yep, and the wide receivers weren't too bad either.

I think DV was very good for the team at that time, after the depths it had sunk to during the last years of Marty then Gunther.
Yeah, they had good pieces on the offense and a servicable enough defense. The thing I liked about Vermeil was he always had a plan and backed it up with stats. That guy knew about every stat imaginable that had to do with winning. I loved his theory on needing 3 things to win; QB, LT, and RB. If only we had Lovie Smith calling the D here instead of G-Rob things may have worked out like they did in St. Louis.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:58 PM   #1193
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I'm pretty positive we won't have a 2nd round pick next year.
Depends on those 3-4 games Daniel will have to play.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:08 PM   #1194
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Well I figure since Vermeil was able to duplicate the offensive success in KC that he had with the Rams with Al Saunders while Martz ended up bouncing around coordinator and QB coaching jobs the rest of his career after the Bulger years. I mean are we really comparing a guy that took 2 different teams to a Superbowl and a third team to a 13-3 record to Mike Martz?

However, let's be honest here. Their success in St. Louis was primarily due stumbling into having a HOF QB behind center. Warner>Vermeil>Martz
Vermeil is a really good delegator. He didn't call plays, but he made sure, (on offense) he had good people in place. In a way Vermeil did exactly what most hate SP for. He tried to recreate the success he'd just had with the Rams, even bringingin the backup to make it run. It just worked, somewhat, better.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:08 PM   #1195
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Yeah, they had good pieces on the offense and a servicable enough defense. The thing I liked about Vermeil was he always had a plan and backed it up with stats. That guy knew about every stat imaginable that had to do with winning. I loved his theory on needing 3 things to win; QB, LT, and RB. If only we had Lovie Smith calling the D here instead of G-Rob things may have worked out like they did in St. Louis.
I can't argue with any of that. I have been roasted on here for it repeatedly, but I loved DVs leadership style.

Due to that, he was able to get the most out of a lot of players as long as they weren't rookies, kickers or on defense. Dante Hall, Eddie Kennison, Trent Green were all examples of overachievers due to DV leadership.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:12 PM   #1196
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I'll say this too a big Vermeil weakness, he was loyal to an incredible fault.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:44 PM   #1197
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What's the most receptions and TDs scored by a WR with Smith as QB?
Most catches by a WR is 72

Most touchdowns by a WR is 4

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Michael Crabtree WR- 72 catches/4 TDs
Vernon Davis TE - 67 catches/6 TDs

2009 was Vernon Davis's best year with had 78 catches and 13 TDs, most of that production coming after Shaun Hill was benched and Alex Smith was re-installed at QB, playing for the rest of the year.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:11 PM   #1198
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Exactly. Lots of question marks with all the changes. My point has always been if Reid and Alex are who they have been it's not going to work. Reid is going to have to change.
I think this offense with Alex Smith is going to look more like the Jon Gruden/Brad Johnson version of the west coast than the offenses that we are accustomed to seeing in Philly under Reid.

Reid is going to ask Smith to pass more than he has in his revious season and a half, but he's going to try to utilize his efficiency in the short passing game.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:17 PM   #1199
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Yeah, as it turned out the consenus was pretty much wrong on that one.
I tried to tell everyone that Vermeil wasn't going to be able to achieve the same success in KC that he did in Stl.

I hated the hire, but no one listens to me.

I have the same feeling about this regime.

Just remember, in 5 years when the Chiefs are looking for a new coach, and still looking for playoff success that I told you it wouldn't work before Reid was hired.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:25 PM   #1200
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I tried to tell everyone that Vermeil wasn't going to be able to achieve the same success in KC that he did in Stl.

I hated the hire, but no one listens to me.

I have the same feeling about this regime.

Just remember, in 5 years when the Chiefs are looking for a new coach, and still looking for playoff success that I told you it wouldn't work before Reid was hired.
Well, to be fair he would have been the first coach to achieve the same success with a different team than he did in St. Louis. He put together 2/3 of a great team, but couldn't put it all together

Same with Reid. Since the aveage tenure with a team is about 3 years the odds are in your favor once again. I was all for the hirings, but I'm souring a bit after the Smith trade and draft.
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