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Old 05-14-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Feds want a 1 drink DUI

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/14...ing-threshold/

WASHINGTON A federal agency is proposing that states lower the threshold for drunken driving to the point where a woman could be charged for driving after one drink and a man after two in a move officials say would save thousands of lives.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all states drop the blood-alcohol level at which motorists can be charged with driving drunk to .05, down from the current rate of .08 that all 50 states impose. The threshold is a matter of state law, but the federal government can pressure states to meet its standard by threatening to withhold highway funding.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable."

- Deborah Hersman, chair of NTSB

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

More than 100 countries have adopted the .05 alcohol content standard or lower, according to an NTSB report. In Europe, drunken driving deaths were cut by more than half a decade after the stricter standard was implemented.

Studies show a woman weighing less than 120 pounds can reach .05 after just one drink, while a man weighing up to 160 pounds reaches .05 after two drinks.

New approaches are needed to combat drunken driving, which claims the lives of more than a third of the 30,000 people killed each year on U.S highways a level of carnage that that has remained stubbornly consistent for the past decade and a half, the board said.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

But the recommendation to lowering the alcohol content threshold to .05 is likely to meet strong resistance from states, said Jonathan Adkins, an official with the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

"It was very difficult to get .08 in most states so lowering it again won't be popular," Adkins said. "The focus in the states is on high (blood alcohol content) offenders as well as repeat offenders. We expect industry will also be very vocal about keeping the limit at .08."

The lower alcohol content threshold was one of nearly 20 recommendations aimed at reducing drunken driving made by the board, including that states adopt measures to ensure more widespread use of use of alcohol ignition interlock devices. Those require a driver to breathe into a tube, much like the breathalyzers police ask suspected drunken drivers to use.

The board has previously recommended states require all convicted drunken drivers install the interlock devices in their vehicles as a condition to resume driving. Currently, 17 states and two California counties require all convicted drivers use the devices.

However, only about a quarter of drivers ordered to use the devices actually end up doing so, NTSB said. Drivers use a variety of ways to evade using the devices, including claiming they won't drive at all or don't own a vehicle and therefore don't need the devices, staff said.

The board recommended the National Highway Safety Administration, which makes safety grants to states, develop a program to encourage states to ensure all convicted drivers actually use the devices. The board also recommended that all suspected drunken drivers whose licenses are confiscated by police be required to install interlocks as a condition of getting their licenses reinstated even though they haven't yet been convicted of a crime.

Courts usually require drivers to pay for the devices, which cost about $50 to $100 to buy plus a $50 a month fee to operate, staff said.

The board has previously called on the safety administration and the auto industry to step up their research into technology for use in all vehicles that can detect whether a driver has elevated blood alcohol without the driver breathing into a tube or taking any other action. Drivers with elevated levels would be unable to start their cars.

But the technology is still years away.

Studies show more than 4 million people a year in the U.S. drive while intoxicated, but about half of the intoxicated drivers stopped by police escape detection, the NTSB report said. The board made several recommendations aimed at increasing both the visibility and effectiveness of police enforcement, including expanded use of passive alcohol devices. The devices are often contained in real flash lights or shaped to look like a cellphone that officers wear on their shirt pockets or belts. If an officer points the flashlight at a driver or the cellphone-like device comes in close proximity to an intoxicated driver, the devices will alert police who may not have any other reason to suspected drunken driving.

The use of the devices currently is very limited, the report said.

Dramatic progress was made in the 1980s through the mid-1990s after the minimum drinking age was raised to 21 and the legally-allowable maximum level of drivers' blood alcohol content was lowered to .08, the report said. Today, drunken driving claims about 10,000 lives a year, down from over 18,000 in 1982. At that time, alcohol-related fatalities accounted for about 40 percent of highway deaths.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:28 PM   #16
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Good ol' government and its "solutions", hey too many people are driving over the legal limit right now, what should we do?

How about lowering the limit.

Great idea, another dumb ****ing law that doesn't address the problem. Maybe if we ban 30rd magazines that will decrease the number of drunk drivers too.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:29 PM   #17
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which is absolutely absurd.

What are they going to do though? Surely they wont be administrating blood tests if the cop suspects something?

and there is no ****ing way it should be treated the same as alcohol. Alcohol kills, weed helps. They are not the same thing.
So. Pothead car wreck kills people less dead than a boozer? Could you be more stupid?
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:30 PM   #18
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you are ****ing retarded dude.

no it does not.
You aren't smoking good weed then.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:31 PM   #19
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So. Pothead car wreck kills people less dead than a boozer? Could you be more stupid?
You just cant find enough auto deaths as a result of mother nature to justify any kind of comparison to DUI deaths
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:32 PM   #20
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Weed helps?

It makes you dumb as shit too I guess.
yes, it helps lots of people, moron. I didn't mean it helps driving. One shouldn't rip a huge bong and then immediately go drive. But it wears off in hours. Not 48.
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You are one stupid mother ****er. Smoking weed impairs your ability to operate a vehicle the same as alcohol. The medicinal benefits of marijuana have nothing to do with the what level should be allowed in your system when driving.
While I don't partake in weed anymore and haven't in about 10yrs or so, your statement is ****ing retarded. While probably not 100% of people can drive stoned, it does not impair driving in the least. I would actually say the opposite.

That said, What's the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned driver?

The drunk runs a stop sign and the stoner waits for it to turn green.
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you are ****ing retarded dude.

no it does not.
Look, I get it, you are really an advocate of weed. I agree that it has many medicinal uses that could be beneficial to people with certain ailments, but to say that it doesn't effect your reflexes and awareness is just plain stupid. It's an absolute fact that it does and you sound more and more like a ****ing asshole the more you try to argue against this fact.
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Good ol' government and its "solutions", hey too many people are driving over the legal limit right now, what should we do?

How about lowering the limit.

Great idea, another dumb ****ing law that doesn't address the problem. Maybe if we ban 30rd magazines that will decrease the number of drunk drivers too.
The penalties should be higher for sure. Way higher.
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Look, I get it, you are really an advocate of weed. I agree that it has many medicinal uses that could be beneficial to people with certain ailments, but to say that it doesn't effect your reflexes and awareness is just plain stupid. It's an absolute fact that it does and you sound more and more like a ****ing asshole the more you try to argue against this fact.
It's still not the same as alcohol. Not even close.
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yes, it helps lots of people, moron. I didn't mean it helps driving. One shouldn't rip a huge bong and then immediately go drive. But it wears off in hours. Not 48.
Fair enough, I agree with that.
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Alcohol kills, weed helps. They are not the same thing.
Weed helps? Helps what? Cancer patients have an appetite? What does that have to do with driving? You just want to get stoned.

You have to be the absolute worst advocate for anything ever. I've always been for legalizing it, but reading some of your posts really makes me reconsider.
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It's still not the same as alcohol. Not even close.
Never said that it was. I've smoked more than my share of pot in my lifetime. The difference between weed and alcohol is it doesn't matter how stoned you get, the effects wear off in pretty much the same amount of time. With alcohol, the drunker you get the longer it takes to wear off.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:37 PM   #28
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I will say this.

If there were a way to test if someone had toked up within the last hour or 2, when it affects you. Then fine, give that person a DUI.

But to say that you have to wait 24-48 hours after a toke. That means everybody on the road that smokes weed will get a DUI. And that's some bullshit.
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It's still not the same as alcohol. Not even close.
This. For the every day user like myself.
Now if you smoke for the first time or first time in years, you may wanna find a couch.
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Weed helps? Helps what? Cancer patients have an appetite? What does that have to do with driving? You just want to get stoned.

You have to be the absolute worst advocate for anything ever. I've always been for legalizing it, but reading some of your posts really makes me reconsider.
uh, it helps a shit ton of people with many different kinds of problems. You haven't heard anything about that? wow.
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