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Old 05-14-2013, 07:02 PM  
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WASHINGTON – A federal agency is proposing that states lower the threshold for drunken driving to the point where a woman could be charged for driving after one drink and a man after two in a move officials say would save thousands of lives.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all states drop the blood-alcohol level at which motorists can be charged with driving drunk to .05, down from the current rate of .08 that all 50 states impose. The threshold is a matter of state law, but the federal government can pressure states to meet its standard by threatening to withhold highway funding.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable."

- Deborah Hersman, chair of NTSB

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

More than 100 countries have adopted the .05 alcohol content standard or lower, according to an NTSB report. In Europe, drunken driving deaths were cut by more than half a decade after the stricter standard was implemented.

Studies show a woman weighing less than 120 pounds can reach .05 after just one drink, while a man weighing up to 160 pounds reaches .05 after two drinks.

New approaches are needed to combat drunken driving, which claims the lives of more than a third of the 30,000 people killed each year on U.S highways — a level of carnage that that has remained stubbornly consistent for the past decade and a half, the board said.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

But the recommendation to lowering the alcohol content threshold to .05 is likely to meet strong resistance from states, said Jonathan Adkins, an official with the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

"It was very difficult to get .08 in most states so lowering it again won't be popular," Adkins said. "The focus in the states is on high (blood alcohol content) offenders as well as repeat offenders. We expect industry will also be very vocal about keeping the limit at .08."

The lower alcohol content threshold was one of nearly 20 recommendations aimed at reducing drunken driving made by the board, including that states adopt measures to ensure more widespread use of use of alcohol ignition interlock devices. Those require a driver to breathe into a tube, much like the breathalyzers police ask suspected drunken drivers to use.

The board has previously recommended states require all convicted drunken drivers install the interlock devices in their vehicles as a condition to resume driving. Currently, 17 states and two California counties require all convicted drivers use the devices.

However, only about a quarter of drivers ordered to use the devices actually end up doing so, NTSB said. Drivers use a variety of ways to evade using the devices, including claiming they won't drive at all or don't own a vehicle and therefore don't need the devices, staff said.

The board recommended the National Highway Safety Administration, which makes safety grants to states, develop a program to encourage states to ensure all convicted drivers actually use the devices. The board also recommended that all suspected drunken drivers whose licenses are confiscated by police be required to install interlocks as a condition of getting their licenses reinstated even though they haven't yet been convicted of a crime.

Courts usually require drivers to pay for the devices, which cost about $50 to $100 to buy plus a $50 a month fee to operate, staff said.

The board has previously called on the safety administration and the auto industry to step up their research into technology for use in all vehicles that can detect whether a driver has elevated blood alcohol without the driver breathing into a tube or taking any other action. Drivers with elevated levels would be unable to start their cars.

But the technology is still years away.

Studies show more than 4 million people a year in the U.S. drive while intoxicated, but about half of the intoxicated drivers stopped by police escape detection, the NTSB report said. The board made several recommendations aimed at increasing both the visibility and effectiveness of police enforcement, including expanded use of passive alcohol devices. The devices are often contained in real flash lights or shaped to look like a cellphone that officers wear on their shirt pockets or belts. If an officer points the flashlight at a driver or the cellphone-like device comes in close proximity to an intoxicated driver, the devices will alert police who may not have any other reason to suspected drunken driving.

The use of the devices currently is very limited, the report said.

Dramatic progress was made in the 1980s through the mid-1990s after the minimum drinking age was raised to 21 and the legally-allowable maximum level of drivers' blood alcohol content was lowered to .08, the report said. Today, drunken driving claims about 10,000 lives a year, down from over 18,000 in 1982. At that time, alcohol-related fatalities accounted for about 40 percent of highway deaths.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:51 PM   #61
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I never have. I never drive with even one drink either.
you shouldn't be driving period.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:51 PM   #62
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:52 PM   #63
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How many of you have never driven with a blood alcohol content above the legal limit?

I'm guessing a lot of you are OK with driving drunk as long as nobody actually gets hurt. You've probably done it. Recently...frequently....
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:53 PM   #64
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Some things are so reckless, with potential for such great harm such as death, that they should be illegal. Yes, that is the argument some use against guns. However, you can make a reasonable argument about self defense and that responsible gun owners are not reckless.

However, there is no reasonable or responsible drunk driving. Unlike using a knife, a baseball bat, or even a gun, there is no safe way to drive drunk. It is reckless and inherently and unnecessarily puts others lives needlessly at risk.
Except that .05 isn't drunk. Not even close to it.

I can guarantee you that restaurants and bars take a big hit. There are plenty of people who like to have a meal with 2 or 3 beers or a glass of wine.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:55 PM   #65
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I don't believe in punishment when someone else's rights haven't been infringed or they haven't been damaged. That is like banning guns, knives, and baseball bats because there is a chance that the person owning them may hurt themselves or others.

Now, this isn't to say that driving drunk is at all a good idea. I, and most people, consider it immoral. I am fine with public pressure against drunk driving. I don't think that government should be able to punish you for something in which there was no victim.
They aren't trying to ban alcohol, they are trying to punish an act while under the influence of alcohol.


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Old 05-14-2013, 08:58 PM   #66
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:02 PM   #67
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Except that .05 isn't drunk. Not even close to it.

I can guarantee you that restaurants and bars take a big hit. There are plenty of people who like to have a meal with 2 or 3 beers or a glass of wine.
I wasn't commenting about .05 or a particular limit. Dude thinks .1, .2 or any level is ok, as long as you don't happen to kill anyone that day.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:08 PM   #68
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I wasn't commenting about .05 or a particular limit. Dude thinks .1, .2 or any level is ok, as long as you don't happen to kill anyone that day.
Yeah, I'll agree with you there. There is definitely a limit.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:32 PM   #69
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How many of you have never driven with a blood alcohol content above the legal limit?

I'm guessing a lot of you are OK with driving drunk as long as nobody actually gets hurt. You've probably done it. Recently...frequently....
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:30 AM   #71
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and that makes it right?

I know that you believe that weed is illegal because the government is protecting you from the plant. I know that you think that alcohol is fine and not harmful because it's legal compared to weed. I know that you would only believe what you see on fox news or what your preacher tells you.

You believe so badly that Murica is the perfect country and the government is doing this war of marijuana and spending so much money on it to protect you from this plant. I know that you truly believe that.

So, there's really not any point in speaking with you.

Fox news isn't going to report on it for you until the evidence is so damning that it becomes self evident and accepted and I'm not sure how much longer that is going to take. It will be in my life time, I'm confident of that though.

It's kind of interesting that you always post, "Murica" as if you're doing a parody of a dumb person, when clearly you yourself are a dumbass.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:40 AM   #72
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You are one stupid mother ****er. Smoking weed impairs your ability to operate a vehicle the same as alcohol. The medicinal benefits of marijuana have nothing to do with the what level should be allowed in your system when driving.
Impairs yes... the same? No. Just no.

Look man I can smoke a ton of weed and do a back-flip. Seriously.

I can't do that after 3 beers. Weed does not impair either your reaction time or your coordination nearly as badly as alcohol. That doesn't mean it has no effect, but it's not the same at all.

Having said that I'm interested to see how they'd administer this test, because they can't just take your blood for some random suspicion and I don't know of any test that can be done outside of a UA. These things require more red tape than breathing into a tube.

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I wasn't commenting about .05 or a particular limit. Dude thinks .1, .2 or any level is ok, as long as you don't happen to kill anyone that day.
The crash data suggests the BAL cutoff shouldn't be .08 and sure as **** shouldn't be .05.

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Old 05-15-2013, 08:12 AM   #74
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But to say that you have to wait 24-48 hours after a toke. That means everybody on the road that smokes weed will get a DUI. And that's some bullshit.
States to the Federal Govt: "It's our right to grow and use this helpful plant whether you like or not, and we're going to pass laws that override the tyrannical illegalization of this plant because it's our state right to do so."

Federal Gov. response to the states : "Oh yeah, we'll just a pass a federal law that says anyone that gets stoned can't drive for 2 or 3 days and throw everyone we can in jail that does and then fine them absurd sums of money. HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!"
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:17 AM   #75
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Weed helps?

It makes you dumb as shit too I guess.
Nah bro, there is no test that shows you are under the influence of THC. I could smoke it on a Wednesday and it'll show up in my blood for at least a week if not longer.
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