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Government taps AP reporters' phones.....illegally

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.

In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

The government would not say why it sought the records. Officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have provided information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.

In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."

Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual.

In the letter notifying the AP, which was received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.

Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012, story.

The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the investigative House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said on CNN, "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press."

The American Civil Liberties Union said the use of subpoenas for a broad swath of records has a chilling effect both on journalists and whistleblowers who want to reveal government wrongdoing. "The attorney general must explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again," said Laura Murphy, the director of ACLU's Washington legislative office.

Rules published by the Justice Department require that subpoenas of records of news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general, but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained through subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.

William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations." But he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an email.

The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can be considered only after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department might have taken to get information in the case.

A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.

The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."

News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."

It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.

The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.

The plot was significant both because of its seriousness and also because the White House previously had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."

The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot, though the Obama administration continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.

The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.

Brennan talked about the AP story and investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed the Associated Press that the U.S. Government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. Government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he wrote.

He also defended the White House decision to discuss the plot afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with Government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qa'ida plot," Brennan told senators.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:36 AM   #91
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. If you think you are anywhere in the middle. You are nothing but a typical east coast liberal who thinks they are in the middle but that is how far left this liberal culture has gone.
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Romney for POTUS and Scott Brown for Senate..
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:57 AM   #93
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Doesn't take long to type it out.

And I said then and say again that Romney/Obama was a close call for me. I didn't view either as particularly great or particularly terrible.

Around here Obama is nothing short of the antichrist, a Muslim Socialist sent by Satan to destroy America. It's in-****ing-credible.
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I actually voted Republican for POTUS and Senate in the last election. .


You're at that place where men who've lost all dignity find themselves...

You want to keep carrying Barry's piss bucket yet somehow try to keep your distance, or qualify yourself as some kind of pragmatic, moderate voice of reason. LMFAO at you.

You are an O-Bot stooge who did and continues to do everything to protect that worthless scumbag from being held accountable for his incompetence and corruption.

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Old 05-15-2013, 09:07 AM   #96
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"I didn't vote for him "

..like that matters....
yeah like Romney had a snowballs chance in Hell in winning Assachussetts.

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You're at that place where men who've lost all dignity find themselves...

You want to keep carrying Barry's piss bucket yet somehow try to keep your distance, or qualify yourself as some kind of pragmatic, moderate voice of reason. LMFAO at you.

You are an O-Bot stooge who did and continues to do everything to protect that worthless scumbag from being held accountable for his incompetence and corruption.

Go crawl back under your rock.

I eagerly look forward to you screwing up again and getting yourself banned. How you manage to contaminate what is already largely a cesspool is pretty astonishing, and yet you do.

You add nothing to the board except stupidity and a bunch of unpleasant "isms". Enjoy your time here while it lasts.
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yeah like Romney had a snowballs chance in Hell in winning Assachussetts.

3-2-1- "he was the governnor nah!" -every O-Bot stooge in DC Holy Land

My vote for POTUS was irrelevant, and always will be.

Brown at least had a chance.
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My vote for POTUS was irrelevant, and always will be.
Yet you continue to tell everybody that you voted for Romney BECAUSE YOU KNOW you can no longer pretend that there is any integrity left to your defending Barry.

You are a pathetic weasel.

You might have some people on this board fooled, but the truth is you are one cracker and cheese in front of Frankie on the DC food chain.

And I'm being kind.

Now go put your lipstick and blonde wig on, Barry is waiting for his blowjob.
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Yet you continue to tell everybody that you voted for Romney BECAUSE YOU KNOW you can no longer pretend that there is any integrity left to your defending Barry.

errr...no, I mention it because people who are so far to the right of the mainstream they wouldn't know the center if it hit them in the ass try to act like I'm some kind of lunatic liberal from Taxachusetts. Unfortunately for you, and the rest of them, it's not 1970 anymore, we're not Taxachusetts, and I'm not some kind of die-hard far left loon.

But I'm wasting my time talking to you. Might as well talk to the computer monitor.


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You might have some people on this board, but the truth is you are one cracker and cheese in front of Frankie on the DC food chain.

And I'm being kind.

Now go put your lipstick and blonde wig on, Barry is waiting for his blowjob.

My stapler has more rational thinking capability than you, so it's no surprise that you're stuck with insults when you can't debate intelligently, and no surprise that even your insults aren't very clever.
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I actually voted Republican for POTUS and Senate in the last election. Doubt you can say you voted for a Democrat for POTUS or Congress lately...
I had to chuckle because you continue to prove to be such an ignorant liberal know-it-all but it's not all your fault. You are a product of your liberal culture's environment.

What made me chuckle is you said you voted for Republicans but do you realize both those Republicans are liberal??? It just goes to show there really isn't much difference in either party these days. Both parties now offer big government liberalism so you really get the worst of both while drowning future generations in massive debt. I would vote for a Democrat if they conservative but we know those are rare in the Democrat party these days. Let's not forget how corrupt your media has become, because they went all in for their party/ideology and look what that has gotten us. There were some good conservatives that ran for president but they were all bashed and dismissed by this corrupt media. This media is part of the problem and should not ever be taken seriously again.

So you are way off base trying to make this Democrat vs. Republican but I guess if it makes you feel superior and arrogant, so be it but don't get mad if someone calls you out on it.

Like I said, you are a product of your environment. I see today's liberals/ progressives as nothing more than control freaks and government robots that were raised by government education and the big government culture that has followed. You libs are trained to worship and defend anything government as it plays out a majority of the time on this message board day in and day out. It's like government is a deity to some of you. What some of you don't realize is today's liberals, progressives, socialists, fascists, and communists, at their heart, are all control freaks that use the power and scope of government to do their bidding. We all are born with that trait but some of us have learned to tame it and mind our own business.

We all got to witness how the big government culture affected your largest city recently with how its citizens cowered in fear, being in a temporary police state, waiting for the government to take care of them. It was really pathetic as we have a 2nd Amendment that the citizens can help defend themselves and/or assist the authorities.

Comrade Crapski did bring up a good point that most that defend this big government culture here, either work for government or benefit from government. I understand why you would want big gov't, more laws because that is work or security for you. If big government benefits you, at least be intellectually honest about it. There's nothing wrong with self-preservation but look at the cost this big government culture has cost us and the trillions it has cost future generations. It's not sustainable and that's what those in the tea party realize too. I can see why they are a threat to you if you worship big government but we are going to have to come back to reality at some point or continue to destroy this country.

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errr...no, I mention it because people who are so far to the right of the mainstream they wouldn't know the center if it hit them in the ass try to act like I'm some kind of lunatic liberal from Taxachusetts. Unfortunately for you, and the rest of them, it's not 1970 anymore, we're not Taxachusetts, and I'm not some kind of die-hard far left loon.
6 years of ball washing for barry, character assassinating and trying to destroy anyone who dared speak the truth about that communist piece of garbage from Chicongo, but it's all undone now, because you voted for Romney. All is forgiven. You've redeemed yourself.



You have some nerve, pal.
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I had to chuckle because you continue to prove to be such an ignorant liberal know-it-all but it's not all your fault. You are a product of your liberal culture's environment.

What made me chuckle is you said you voted for Republicans but do you realize both those Republicans are liberal??? It just goes to show there really isn't much difference in either party these days. Both parties now offer big government liberalism so you really get the worst of both while drowning future generations in massive debt. I would vote for a Democrat if they conservative but we know those are rare in the Democrat party these days. Let's not forget how corrupt your media has become, because they went all in for their party/ideology and look what that has gotten us. There were some good conservatives that ran for president but they were all bashed and dismissed by this corrupt media. This media is part of the problem and should not ever be taken seriously again.

So you are way off base trying to make this Democrat vs. Republican but I guess if it makes you feel superior and arrogant, so be it but don't get mad if someone calls you out on it.

Like I said, you are a product of your environment. I see today's liberals/ progressives as nothing more than control freaks and government robots that were raised by government education and the big government culture that has followed. You libs are trained to worship and defend anything government as it plays out a majority of the time on this message board day in and day out. It's like government is a deity to some of you. What some of you don't realize is today's liberals, progressives, socialists, fascists, and communists, at their heart, are all control freaks that use the power and scope of government to do their bidding. We all are born with that trait but some of us have learned to tame it and mind our own business.

We all got to witness how the big government culture affected your largest city recently with how its citizens cowered in fear, being in a temporary police state, waiting for the government to take care of them. It was really pathetic as we have a 2nd Amendment that the citizens can help defend themselves and/or assist the authorities.

Comrade Crapski did bring up a good point that most that defend this big government culture here, either work for government or benefit from government. I understand why you would want big gov't, more laws because that is work or security for you. If big government benefits you, at least be intellectually honest about it. There's nothing wrong with self-preservation but look at the cost this big government culture has cost us and the trillions it has cost future generations. It's not sustainable and that's what those in the tea party realize too. I can see why they are a threat to you if you worship big government but we are going to have to come back to reality at some point or continue to destroy this country.

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It looks like the US Justice Department is going to be completely vindicated on this one. They were investigating a serious leak of highly classified information which put someone in danger and caused us to lose the services of a spy that we had inside AQAP. After hundreds of interviews, they could not find the leak, so the only thing left to do was find out who called the AP.

Some of the hypocrites in congress who are now yelling about this had even written a letter to the Justice Department demanding that they get to the bottom of who leaked this classified info, and now they are surprised at the investigation?
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