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Old 05-14-2013, 03:20 PM  
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BIG 12 AND SEC PLAY EACH OTHER

The inaugural Big 12/SEC Challenge was announced Tuesday with a schedule of 10 men’s basketball games to be played this fall.

All 10 of the Big 12’s teams and 10 of the SEC’s 14 schools will play in the annual event, which will be called the SEC/Big 12 Challenge in 2014. Arkansas, Georgia, LSU and Tennessee will not play in the first year. ESPN will broadcast all 10 games across its networks. Times and TV channels will be announced later.
Eight of the 10 games this year will be played at home sites — including KU at Florida, which was previously announced, West Virginia at Missouri and Mississippi at Kansas State. The other two matchups will be played at neutral sites.
Saturday, November 14
• Texas Tech at Alabama
Monday, December 2
• Vanderbilt at Texas
• Auburn at Iowa State
Thursday, December 5
• West Virginia at Missouri
• Mississippi at Kansas State
• TCU at Mississippi State
Friday, December 6
• South Carolina at Oklahoma State
• Kentucky vs. Baylor at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas
Tuesday, December 10
• Kansas at Florida
Saturday, December 21
• Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma in Houston

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/14...#storylink=cpy
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:41 AM   #46
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So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?

It's nothing more than greasing the skids for some rivalry games to restart without making the "never again" crowd look sillier than they already do.
Rivalry games = Money. Universities love money that will win over hurt feelings.
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So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?.

The simple explanation is that the SEC wants to improve it's non-con basketball scheduling (Slive even talked about it recently, I'm sure you missed it because it was basketball related). The ACC-BIG already have a "challenge" so it's pretty much the Big 12 left sitting at the bar for last call.


And of course, the Big 12 wants to attach itself to the SEC as often as it can so we'll always put out.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:57 AM   #48
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Rivalry games = Money. Universities love money that will win over hurt feelings.
The money isn't in 'rivalry games', its in TV packages. If you were correct then schools wouldn't be leaving their rivalry games left & right, but they did. Besides only a few rivalries have nationwide TV appeal anyway.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:59 AM   #49
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I agree, it would be very good business for Mizzou. It is not however a national rivalry. I know way to many people from the East coast that think KSU is KU's only rival. The only time the national media cares about KU/MU games are when they are both ranked in the top 10. Most years it was only a local rivalry.

I would love to play Mizzou every year, I just don't want to give up a game against UK or Fla or whoever is the best team in the SEC to get it. If MU is the best team we can play from that league then by all means schedule it up.
While I don't quite dismiss KU/MU as having no national appeal as much as you do your core point is correct. Kansas Basketball has ascended to a level where they simply can't be bothered by lower rung teams. Just look at the non-con KU is playing already. Kansas is out for huge ratings and huge money and from the SEC really only Kentucky and Florida can bring that at this time.


Nov. 8 (Friday) – LOUISIANA-MONROE, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 12 (Tuesday) – Duke, Chicago, Ill. (Champions Classic, United Center)

Nov. 19 (Tuesday) – IONA, Lawrence, Kan.

Nov. 22 (Friday) – TOWSON, Lawrence, Kan.

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Dec. 7 (Saturday) – at Colorado, Boulder, Colo.

Dec. 10 (Tuesday) – at Florida, Gainesville, Fla.

Dec. 14 (Saturday) – NEW MEXICO, Kansas City, Mo. (Sprint Center)

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PRISON BITCH AND SAUL GOOD..Could you please not turn this into another KU/MU pissing match!!!
I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.

MODS, if possible, could you please change the PREFIX so it doesn't reflect MIZZOU, just change it to BASKETBALL.
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I suppose another way to look at it is that this brings us one (tiny) step closer to Slive's vision of a world without mid-majors. It will be interesting to see if he tries to put together an alliance with multiple conferences.

It would be cool if all of the major conferences did this with each other...maybe even x 2. Each major conference team would play two games against teams from each of the major conferences; one home game and one road game each season (not the same team for both games).

That would make for some great games and would still only take up 8 non-conference games per season.
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PRISON BITCH AND SAUL GOOD..Could you please not turn this into another KU/MU pissing match!!!
I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.

MODS, if possible, could you please change the PREFIX so it doesn't reflect MIZZOU, just change it to BASKETBALL.
**** off. I haven't done any of that here. It's not like you were having some discussion, anyway. You pasted an article to start thread and disappeared until your nearly unintelligible follow-up bitching about something that isn't even happening.
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So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."
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This is so fantastically stupid, I'm honestly surprised you posted it. I coudln't even read the entirety it was so dumb. You're not a dumb person so I don't know why you posted this, unless you are trolling.
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And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.
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So what do you think led us to this fantastic event in which all of the Big 12 teams play some of the SEC teams in mostly boring matchups spread out over a five week span? Were fans left not knowing what to do with themselves since they couldn't hold their traditional Big 12/PAC 12 challenge parties until Bowelsby hatched a plan? Is the Texas vs Vanderbilt game going to spark a blood feud? Are the LSU fans pissed off that they have to wait until next year to get in on this action? Have you printed off a scoreboard for this "challenge"?

It's nothing more than greasing the skids for some rivalry games to restart without making the "never again" crowd look sillier than they already do.
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**** off. I haven't done any of that here. It's not like you were having some discussion, anyway. You pasted an article to start thread and disappeared until your nearly unintelligible follow-up bitching about something that isn't even happening.
Looks to me like you did...I wanted to see what everybody thought of it, before I posted anymore, and I did....Whatever!!
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And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.

I know arguing with you is pointless, so I'll make it brief.

The KU/MU rivalry is important to both schools. Regardless of what has been said, it's going to happen again and eventually, it will end up a yearly thing - at least in basketball. Although I'd love to see KU football take some huge steps and make football part of the equation as well. Might as well get used to the idea of it now.
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Looks to me like you did...I wanted to see what everybody thought of it, before I posted anymore, and I did....Whatever!!

I apparently misinterpreted all of your initial posts Saul, consider us back at odds.
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I know arguing with you is pointless, so I'll make it brief.

The KU/MU rivalry is important to both schools. Regardless of what has been said, it's going to happen again and eventually, it will end up a yearly thing - at least in basketball. Although I'd love to see KU football take some huge steps and make football part of the equation as well. Might as well get used to the idea of it now.
You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.



Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.
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And of course, you are talking out your ass. If we look at public statements made by the University, by Zenger and by Self, your comment is clearly incorrect. Unless you suspect they are all lying. Which could be possible I suppose.
The Colorado bball game on KU's schedule says hi......CU did leave the Big XII, remember?
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You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.


Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.

So, in 5-10 years people won't even remember it? Are you sure you aren't talking about Nebraska? Colorado?
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The Colorado bball game on KU's schedule says hi......CU did leave the Big XII, remember?
We already went through this once. I believe the reasons for this are laid out in the re-alignment thread, so do a search on it and you'll find out what htey are. I believe you were already in on it though, so it might just be a project you can do solo.
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You're severely overestimating the value of the Border War. Esp to KU basketball. Our fanbase tunes in to watch KU play, not MU play. You haven't explained how renewing the Border War makes KU additional revenue over playing non-cons at home. I'd like to see your math here.



Each year it goes without being played, the less attached people are to it. In 5-10 years, our students that will be on campus will be old enough that they won't even remember it being played.
Tell Plow more about what KU fans want since, being a KU fan himself, he has no idea.
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