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Old 05-14-2013, 04:20 PM  
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BIG 12 AND SEC PLAY EACH OTHER

The inaugural Big 12/SEC Challenge was announced Tuesday with a schedule of 10 men’s basketball games to be played this fall.

All 10 of the Big 12’s teams and 10 of the SEC’s 14 schools will play in the annual event, which will be called the SEC/Big 12 Challenge in 2014. Arkansas, Georgia, LSU and Tennessee will not play in the first year. ESPN will broadcast all 10 games across its networks. Times and TV channels will be announced later.
Eight of the 10 games this year will be played at home sites — including KU at Florida, which was previously announced, West Virginia at Missouri and Mississippi at Kansas State. The other two matchups will be played at neutral sites.
Saturday, November 14
• Texas Tech at Alabama
Monday, December 2
• Vanderbilt at Texas
• Auburn at Iowa State
Thursday, December 5
• West Virginia at Missouri
• Mississippi at Kansas State
• TCU at Mississippi State
Friday, December 6
• South Carolina at Oklahoma State
• Kentucky vs. Baylor at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas
Tuesday, December 10
• Kansas at Florida
Saturday, December 21
• Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma in Houston

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/14...#storylink=cpy
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:47 AM   #76
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Yes, but all but 1 of the football games in the top 10 were either bowl games or a conference championship game.

But I understand what you are getting at, regular season vs. regular season is going to lean to football. There are reasons behind it, but I get what you are saying.
Last year's KU - UK Championship game only drew a 12.3

Something tells me that if the two meet again in the Final this year that number may be a bit off.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:59 AM   #77
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But really, you don't think that KU/MU/UT/TAM don't know that they all just ended 2 of the longest running rivalries (KU/MU 121 years; UT/A&M 118 years) and you don't think that those rivalries are important to each school let alone the majority of their fans?

No, not really. They weren't important at all to Missouri or Texas A&M. They preferred to play Vanderbilt and Miss State instead.


The reality is, most rivalries aren't that important. Only a select few even matter. Rivalries are nearly all gone now, even ND told MIchigan it was over. (Now ask yourself: is ND-Michigan football or the Border War bigger?)


I'm not saying it can't happen at all. Nobody knows the future. You care and I don't. I'm sure that reflects the KU fanbase pretty well actually.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:00 AM   #78
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We already went through this once. I believe the reasons for this are laid out in the re-alignment thread, so do a search on it and you'll find out what htey are. I believe you were already in on it though, so it might just be a project you can do solo.
We went though it once, and it was established you are an idiot, and your precious AD is a hypocrite.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:02 AM   #79
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We went though it once, and it was established you are an idiot, and your precious AD is a hypocrite.
You act like any of us value your opinion.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:03 AM   #80
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I know what Sheahen Zenger has said publicly, and that's really enough to base a valid opinion on. Certainly better odds than relying on some internet dork.
He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:04 AM   #81
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You act like any of us value your opinion.
And you are a troll, contribute nothing to the board, and are hated by your fellow KU fans almost as much as Wickedson. Congrats!
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:15 AM   #82
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There's one regular season football game on the list. The point isn't to compare football and basketball. It's to show the popularity of CBB and why these conferences are trying to capitalize on it.
It's a legit point. I've mentioned on here before that Slive was rumored to want Duke and North Carolina as 15 & 16 with the thought process being that the SEC could become the dominant force in both basketball and football. A conference with Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina as historical powers, Florida as a current powerhouse, and complimentary teams like Mizzou and Arkansas would be an absolute juggernaut. What's more is that elevating the conference's basketball profile could cause all of the schools to invest in their programs...and there is a ton of talent in the SE that hasn't really been tapped by the SEC.

I was intrigued by the idea, but I worried that it could potentially be terrible for college athletics (and would likely spell the end of the tournament as we know it eventually) if that were to happen.

Slive has no love for the NCAA and no concern for the mid-majors (nor do I, really). If he controlled basketball and football, he would almost certainly try to pull the four superconferences (Big/ACC consolidating into the fourth) out of the NCAA and create a true football playoff plus a smaller (8 or 16 team) basketball tournament without any mid majors.

I don't know if that would be a good thing or not.
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Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.
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Colon is 0.7 WAR or 5M in value. He makes 500k. Getting pretty close, and since he's producing war each of the next 4 years of club control, he's fair value for Upton straight up. More than fair actually.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:50 AM   #84
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Unfortunatly..Saul Good is correct
Slive is looking at the big picture. He doesn't give a shit about KU/MU.
He is trying to make the SEC the Power house Conference.
You guys are trying to make Mountains out of Mole hills with this HE SAID/SHE SAID crap about KU/MU..

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It's a legit point. I've mentioned on here before that Slive was rumored to want Duke and North Carolina as 15 & 16 with the thought process being that the SEC could become the dominant force in both basketball and football. A conference with Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina as historical powers, Florida as a current powerhouse, and complimentary teams like Mizzou and Arkansas would be an absolute juggernaut. What's more is that elevating the conference's basketball profile could cause all of the schools to invest in their programs...and there is a ton of talent in the SE that hasn't really been tapped by the SEC.

I was intrigued by the idea, but I worried that it could potentially be terrible for college athletics (and would likely spell the end of the tournament as we know it eventually) if that were to happen.

Slive has no love for the NCAA and no concern for the mid-majors (nor do I, really). If he controlled basketball and football, he would almost certainly try to pull the four superconferences (Big/ACC consolidating into the fourth) out of the NCAA and create a true football playoff plus a smaller (8 or 16 team) basketball tournament without any mid majors.

I don't know if that would be a good thing or not.
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Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.
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He publicly stated that KU would never play a team that left the Big XII conference...but somehow CU magically wound up on their schedule. Things change.
We already went thru this, and you're still as confused as ever.
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Unfortunatly..Saul Good is correct
Slive is looking at the big picture. He doesn't give a shit about KU/MU.

Wait, what? Saul said that this new hoops arrangement is a backdoor way to get old rivalries rekindled. But you're saying Slive doesn't give a shit about it. (Which is correct, he doesn't). So you seem to be confused, because you really think Saul is wrong.
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Reasons to think that Kansas won't eventually play Missouri again:

SZ has stated that they won't play teams that left the conference.



Reasons to think that Kansas will eventually play Mizzou again:

Kansas has already scheduled Colorado (the first team to leave the conference).

It's one of the oldest rivalries in sports.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a football partnership.

The SEC and Big 12 have recently entered into a basketball agreement.
Hey Prison Bitch...you should read the bolded parts...they are common knowledge, despite your denial.
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Wait, what? Saul said that this new hoops arrangement is a backdoor way to get old rivalries rekindled. But you're saying Slive doesn't give a shit about it. (Which is correct, he doesn't). So you seem to be confused, because you really think Saul is wrong.
Yep, your right, he did flip/flop.

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So these games are going to take place over the course of five weeks...

Gross

This thing is ****ing stupid. It's about as intriguing as the Big 12 PAC 12 challenge was. (Anyone remember that abortion?)

Here's my theory (based on nothing other than the fact that I look dashing in a nice tinfoil hat): This series has been created as a way to grease the skids for the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/KU rivalries to resume without Texas and Kansas losing face.

Those matchups will happen around year three, and the administrations will be able to say, "It's time to bury the hatchet...we've already played them in this challenge...albeit begrudgingly...so we might as well go ahead and move forward with the rivalry games and schedule them on our own terms".

Pairing them up year one would be too obvious and wouldn't provide cover for the true intentions, but when the inevitable happens..."Well, we didn't want to play them, but we don't control that part of the schedule, so our hands are tied."
I still stand by my statement and still think that Slive is looking at the Big picture and doesn't give a crap about the KU/MU rivalry..except it would bring in lots of viewers and revenue.

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I think this concept of playing other conferences for non-com is a great idea, it reminds me of the NFL...For example:
The AFC WEST have games against another AFC Divisions AND also play a couple of games against an NFC Division, the following years it switches to other divisions.
We could have the makings of something like that starting in the College ranks, SEC plays BIG12....Next year SEC plays PAC12, BIG12 plays BIG10..AND SO ON, AND SO ON.
This would eleminate playing CREAM PUFFS for NON-COM games, the only people getting hurt would be the Smaller Conferences and Schools.
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