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Government taps AP reporters' phones.....illegally

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.

In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

The government would not say why it sought the records. Officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have provided information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.

In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."

Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual.

In the letter notifying the AP, which was received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.

Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012, story.

The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the investigative House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said on CNN, "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press."

The American Civil Liberties Union said the use of subpoenas for a broad swath of records has a chilling effect both on journalists and whistleblowers who want to reveal government wrongdoing. "The attorney general must explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again," said Laura Murphy, the director of ACLU's Washington legislative office.

Rules published by the Justice Department require that subpoenas of records of news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general, but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained through subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.

William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations." But he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an email.

The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can be considered only after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department might have taken to get information in the case.

A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.

The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."

News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."

It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.

The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.

The plot was significant both because of its seriousness and also because the White House previously had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."

The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot, though the Obama administration continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.

The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.

Brennan talked about the AP story and investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed the Associated Press that the U.S. Government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. Government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he wrote.

He also defended the White House decision to discuss the plot afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with Government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qa'ida plot," Brennan told senators.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:06 AM   #106
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It looks like the US Justice Department is going to be completely vindicated on this one. They were investigating a serious leak of highly classified information which put someone in danger and caused us to lose the services of a spy that we had inside AQAP. After hundreds of interviews, they could not find the leak, so the only thing left to do was find out who called the AP.

Some of the hypocrites in congress who are now yelling about this had even written a letter to the Justice Department demanding that they get to the bottom of who leaked this classified info, and now they are surprised at the investigation?
Couldn't they have accomplished the same thing by getting the phone records of all the people inside government that could have leaked that info? Or by coming down hard on the specific reporters who wrote the story to give up their sources? I don't think you've established vindication with your theory, complete or otherwise.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:13 AM   #107
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Couldn't they have accomplished the same thing by getting the phone records of all the people inside government that could have leaked that info? Or by coming down hard on the specific reporters who wrote the story to give up their sources? I don't think you've established vindication with your theory, complete or otherwise.
Its not the first time that phone records of reporters were acquired. Also, they don't know which phone was used, could have been a friend's phone, or a gas station monthly pay phone, which they could then track down who bought it.

"Coming down on specific reporters who wrote the story" is useless. The reporter will obviously refuse to give up their sources, and sit in jail for a while till a judge lets them go, a martyr to the cause.

If you actually want to find the leak and aren't that interested in just throwing reporters in jail, this is the only way. This story is now dying in favor of other, livelier scandals because people are now beginning to realize what was really going on when the AP began to whine and cry about this.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:33 AM   #108
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Its not the first time that phone records of reporters were acquired. "Coming down on specific reporters who wrote the story" is useless. The reporter will obviously refuse to give up their sources, and sit in jail for a while till a judge lets them go, a martyr to the cause.

If you actually want to find the leak and aren't that interested in just throwing reporters in jail, this is the only way. This story is now dying in favor of other, livelier scandals because people are now beginning to realize what was really going on when the AP began to whine and cry about this.
To say they've been vindicated, you have to show that it was necessary. Like I said before, I don't think you've done that.
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To say they've been vindicated, you have to show that it was necessary. Like I said before, I don't think you've done that.
It was necessary. You haven't shown why they need to jump through every last hoop before this step.

Perhaps they need to see if they can find the leak internally without involving the press, but they tried that. They were unable to find the leak internally.

From that point, given that the feds now have to legally attack the press, and that the leak threatened our national security, I have no objection with proceeding straight to the phone records and not bothering with waiting 6 months or a year, twiddling their thumbs while hoping a reporter breaks.

This was not drugs or a bank robbery, someone cost us a very valuable resource in a terrorist organization, and for all we know they were poised to continue their irresponsible leaks that threaten national security. Speed was a factor.
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It was necessary. You haven't shown why they need to jump through every last hoop before this step.

Perhaps they need to see if they can find the leak internally without involving the press, but they tried that. They were unable to find the leak internally.

From that point, given that the feds now have to legally attack the press, and that the leak threatened our national security, I have no objection with proceeding straight to the phone records and not bothering with waiting 6 months or a year, twiddling their thumbs while hoping a reporter breaks.

This was not drugs or a bank robbery, someone cost us a very valuable resource in a terrorist organization, and for all we know they were poised to continue their irresponsible leaks that threaten national security. Speed was a factor.
That's what I'd say if I were willing to accept everything the administration tells us at face value without giving it much critical thought too, I guess.
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That's what I'd say if I were willing to accept everything the administration tells us at face value without giving it much critical thought too, I guess.
There is nothing they could possibly be lying about in this case which would be relevant to the discussion.

We know for a fact that this leak was a threat to national security. We know for a fact that they could not find the leak internally.

Those two facts are pretty much all we need to know to justify what they did here.
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That's what I'd say if I were willing to accept everything the administration tells us at face value without giving it much critical thought too, I guess.
I assume you're willing to admit your massive bias on this? If it were Bush/Cheney holding office instead of Obama/Biden, you'd have the same position that alnorth has stated, right?
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For all we know, reporting it was necessary due to leaks, could be a false report in itself. We already know Obama doesn't like Republican leaning news outlets. Or libertarians. That he'd love to get his hands on the internet, even to shut it down. The right is opposed to most of what he stands for including going after guns. This, plus going after patriots or Constitutionalists, after having a HS head labeling the same folks as terrorists doesn't give any of Obama Administrations claims much credibility. He's a wannabe dictator breaking the law by usurping powers he does not possess. When all these things are considered as a whole, it doesn't reflect well.
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I assume you're willing to admit your massive bias on this? If it were Bush/Cheney holding office instead of Obama/Biden, you'd have the same position that alnorth has stated, right?
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There is nothing they could possibly be lying about in this case which would be relevant to the discussion.

We know for a fact that this leak was a threat to national security. We know for a fact that they could not find the leak internally.

Those two facts are pretty much all we need to know to justify what they did here.
First of all, we don't know what kind of threat to national security this was unless we take the administration's word for it. Second, we don't know that they tried enough more reasonable, non-press-chilling approaches.

For just one example of how they went beyond necessary, why did they need to seize these records secretly? Why couldn't they have accomplished the same thing while informing the AP that they were doing it? It's not like the AP has the ability to delete their phone records.
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Anyone here disagree that the leak that there was a US planted spy in an Al Quada affiliate was damaging to national security?

Anyone here disagree that whoever leaked that information should be identified and prosecuted, if possible?
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This, plus going after patriots or Constitutionalists
The IRS scandal is deeply disturbing. At best, the administration was hands-off to the point of not giving a damn what the IRS did to the point where they could run wild. Even that is difficult to believe, because their actions were awfully convenient politically for the administration given the timing of the filings, the delay, and the elections.

This AP issue is a non-story that is distracting people from what we really ought to be focusing on.
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That he'd love to get his hands on the internet, even to shut it down.

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First of all, we don't know what kind of threat to national security this was unless we take the administration's word for it. Second, we don't know that they tried enough more reasonable, non-press-chilling approaches.

For just one example of how they went beyond necessary, why did they need to seize these records secretly? Why couldn't they have accomplished the same thing while informing the AP that they were doing it? It's not like the AP has the ability to delete their phone records.
We don't need to take the administration's word for it, they didn't even reveal all the damage that the leak caused, the British did. They had the compromised asset and were pissed at the Americans for the leak.

What is the point of informing the AP about it beforehand? It does absolutely nothing except potentially tip off the leaker that he may soon be caught, giving him a chance to cover any tracks he may have left lying about.
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