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Old 05-05-2013, 05:03 PM  
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Bengahzi ? Wh Knew, Who lied, who turned a blind eye and deaf ears ?

Bengahzi, we all knew it was a cover up, millions of Americans was blind and deaf, yet still voted for a POTUS and staff that lied and covered it up.

Do you feel better about the POTUS now since this happened? ( as in your own twisted political view , you feel he was the right choice as POTUS )

Same, as in who cares?

Worst ?

So where do you stand about the current staff and the way Bengahzi was handled now ?
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:53 PM   #406
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Which law is that?

It was several years ago when I last saw it but it came about when the owner of Whole Foods got on stock market message boards bashing a company he was going to buy, drove down the stock price, and then bought the company. He was caught doing his own shill marketing so he could buy the company cheaper and it came about because of that. Although, I imagine it would be hard to police but awareness is the key and since that incident, if you were on the stock market message boards, you sort of understood what signs to look for.

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Old 05-15-2013, 10:56 PM   #407
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I said you act like one with the tactics you use to go after posters time and time again. You use tactics that try to stifle debate, instead of actually debating. I suspected Orange too. I've lurked here a long time and have seen it on other message boards. It's really bad on the stock market message boards. And yes, if you are paid to shill for a product, company, organization, service, etc., on a message board, you have to disclose that. Ask the owner of Whole Foods what happens when you don't and you get caught.

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I don't know WTF you are talking about regarding my "tactics." Anyway, just to stir your paranoia, there is no law requiring me to disclose if Obama is paying me to argue with right-wing nuts. He's not, but I wouldn't tell you if he was, which he's not. Not that I would admit it. But it's not true, so...anyway, shit, I've probably said too much.

I do challenge your assertion about a law that would apply to this message board and a discussion of politics, if you feel like backing it up. Does it only apply to message boards? Could I do it in person? This a federal law?
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:59 PM   #408
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It was several years ago when I last saw it but it came about when the owner of Whole Foods got on stock market message boards bashing a company he was going to buy, drove down the stock price, and then bought the company. He was caught doing his own shill marketing so he could buy the company cheaper and it came about because of that. Although, I imagine it would be hard to police but awareness is the key and since that incident, if you were on the stock market message boards, you sort of understood what signs to look for.

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And you are applying that situation to politics on this board?
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:59 PM   #409
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It was several years ago when I last saw it but it came about when the owner of Whole Foods got on stock market message boards bashing a company he was going to buy, drove down the stock price, and then bought the company. He was caught doing his own shill marketing so he could buy the company cheaper and it came about because of that. Although, I imagine it would be hard to police but awareness is the key and since that incident, if you were on stock market message boards, you sort of understood what signs to look for.

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Can you explain how that applies to this board? Here is your quote:

"I think you do this on purpose to try to drown out the debate. It's a tactic of shill marketers to stifle debate. Yes, I know they exist and you act just like one. The thing is, do you get paid for this? Because, if you do, it's illegal not to disclose it."

How, exactly, is cosmo doing something illegal?
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:02 PM   #410
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And you are applying that situation to politics on this board?

I imagine if someone was paid to do it by a political party then yes but I already explained how tough it would be to police. Awareness is the key. It would not surprise me, given the criminal enterprise the Democrat party has become, that they would employ these tactics on internet message boards to help sway public opinion.

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Old 05-15-2013, 11:06 PM   #411
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And yes, if you are paid to shill for a product, company, organization, service, etc., on a message board, you have to disclose that. Ask the owner of Whole Foods what happens when you don't and you get caught.

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On July 20, 2007, The Wall Street Journal[30] revealed that Mackey was, for at least seven years, using the pseudonym "Rahodeb" (an anagram of his wife's name, Deborah) to post to Yahoo Finance forums. He referred to himself in the third person and criticized rival supermarket chain Wild Oats Markets.[31] The Federal Trade Commission[32] approved a complaint challenging Whole Foods Market’s approximately $670 million acquisition of its chief rival, Wild Oats Markets, Inc. It authorized the FTC staff to seek a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction in federal district court to halt the deal, pending an administrative trial on the merits. After an extensive regulatory battle with the FTC, a federal appeals court consented to the deal. Whole Foods officially completed their buyout of Wild Oats on August 27, 2007.

In May 2008, after an SEC investigation cleared him, Mackey started blogging again. In a 2,037 word post, he wrote about why he began blogging in the first place and how his upbringing drove him to defend himself and Whole Foods. He admitted he made a mistake in judgment, but not in ethics.[33]
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Don't feel bad, TGI. The SEC couldn't find the law either.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:11 PM   #413
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I imagine if someone was paid to do it by a political party then yes but I already explained how tough it would be to police. Awareness is the key. It would not surprise me, given the criminal enterprise the Democrat party has become, that they would employ these tactics on internet message boards to help sway public opinion.

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Thanks for the compliment. You're likely the only one who thinks I'm so good at this that I'm likely a professional. Of course, maybe that's my tactic--not being TOO effective so as not to blow my cover.

For the record, I do not believe anyone is paying you.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:15 PM   #414
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On July 20, 2007, The Wall Street Journal[30] revealed that Mackey was, for at least seven years, using the pseudonym "Rahodeb" (an anagram of his wife's name, Deborah) to post to Yahoo Finance forums. He referred to himself in the third person and criticized rival supermarket chain Wild Oats Markets.[31] The Federal Trade Commission[32] approved a complaint challenging Whole Foods Market’s approximately $670 million acquisition of its chief rival, Wild Oats Markets, Inc. It authorized the FTC staff to seek a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction in federal district court to halt the deal, pending an administrative trial on the merits. After an extensive regulatory battle with the FTC, a federal appeals court consented to the deal. Whole Foods officially completed their buyout of Wild Oats on August 27, 2007.

In May 2008, after an SEC investigation cleared him, Mackey started blogging again. In a 2,037 word post, he wrote about why he began blogging in the first place and how his upbringing drove him to defend himself and Whole Foods. He admitted he made a mistake in judgment, but not in ethics.[33]
I left those boards before they cleared him. I did not realize they had. At the time on those boards, it was a big deal that he got caught shilling and we were told that shill marketers needed to disclose who they worked for for legal purposes but they rarely did. You just come to understand who were and understand that it does happen on internet message boards.

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Thanks for the compliment. You're likely the only one who thinks I'm so good at this that I'm likely a professional. Of course, maybe that's my tactic--not being TOO effective so as not to blow my cover.

For the record, I do not believe anyone is paying you.
Yeah, be proud of defending that corrupt party, keep patting yourself on the back.

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Old 05-16-2013, 02:03 AM   #416
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Ah, this topic again. I'll just throw this out there:

1) We had assets in the area

2) Those assets were not used

3) Either someone made the decision not to use them, or someone really screwed the pooch operationally

4) That "someone" can be drawn from a fairly small list of people

5) This administration deliberately lied about the cause of this incident and admitted to doing so

6) The claim that nothing could be done is also untrue and was most likely meant as a cover up either for lack of will or lack of leadership


A- Democratic Party apologists won't ever admit to any of this being true regardless of how you prove or demonstrate any of it

B- Our national media is a joke and you can really only consider direct quotes from named sources coupled with your personal knowledge of the situation or related events

C- I would say that Cosmo is much more likely to be a Direckshun alt than any type of paid shill although Cosmo does use exactly those kinds of tactics that a paid shill would
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ms_724603.html

Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims


The White House on Wednesday released 94 pages of emails between top administration and intelligence officials who helped shape the talking points about the attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that the CIA would provide to policymakers in both the legislative and executive branches.

The documents, first reported by THE WEEKLY STANDARD in articles here and here, directly contradict claims by White House press secretary Jay Carney and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the revisions of those talking points were driven by the intelligence community and show heavy input from top Obama administration officials, particularly those at the State Department.

The emails provide further detail about the rewriting of the talking points during a 24-hour period from midday September 14 to midday September 15. As THE WEEKLY STANDARD previously reported, a briefing from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence shows that the big changes came in three waves – internally at the CIA, after email feedback from top administration officials, and during or after a meeting of high-ranking intelligence and national security officials the following morning.

The initial CIA changes softened some of the language about the participants in the Benghazi assault – from “Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda” to “Islamic extremists.” But CIA officials also added bullet points about the possible participation of Ansar al Sharia, an al Qaeda-linked jihadist group, and previous warnings about the deteriorating security situation in Benghazi. Those additions came out after the talking points were sent to “the interagency,” where the CIA’s final draft was further stripped down to little more than boilerplate. The half dozen references to terrorists – both in Benghazi and more generally – all but disappeared. Gone were references to al Qaeda, Ansar al Sharia, jihadists, Islamic extremists, etc. The only remaining mention was a note that “extremists” had participated in the attack.

As striking as what appears in the email traffic is what does not. There is no mention of the YouTube video that would become a central part of the administration’s explanation of the attacks to the American people until a brief mention in the subject line of emails coming out of an important meeting where further revisions were made.

Carney, in particular, is likely to face tough questioning about the contents of the emails because he made claims to reporters that were untrue. “The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two – of these two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility,’ because the word ‘consulate’ was inaccurate,” he told reporters on November 28, 2012.

That’s not true. An email sent at 9:15 PM on September 14, from an official in the CIA’s Office of Public Affairs to others at the agency, described the process this way. “The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind.”

That directly contradicts what Carney said. It’s also difficult to reconcile with claims made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during testimony she gave January 23 on Capitol Hill.

“It was an intelligence product,” she said, adding later that the “intelligence community was the principal decider about what went into talking points.” (See here for the original version of the talking points and the final one.)

Carney and other top Obama administration officials have long maintained that CIA officials revised the talking points with minimal input from Obama administration officials. The claim made little sense when they made it – why would CIA officials revise on their own a set of talking points they’d already finalized? The emails demonstrate clearly that it isn’t true.

Another CIA email, this one a draft of a message for CIA director David Petraeus, noted that the talking points process had “run into major problems,” in part because of the “major concerns” raised by the State Department. That same email reported that the issues would be revisited at the Deputies Committee meeting on Saturday morning.

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I imagine if someone was paid to do it by a political party then yes but I already explained how tough it would be to police. Awareness is the key. It would not surprise me, given the criminal enterprise the Democrat party has become, that they would employ these tactics on internet message boards to help sway public opinion.

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Which law is cosmo breaking? It shouldn't be difficult to provide the citation.
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Which law is cosmo breaking? It shouldn't be difficult to provide the citation.
He's already explained why he said it. It shouldn't be that difficult to accept his explanation and move on.
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Go back and read, I never said he was, I said he acted like one. My Gosh, You libs will do antying to distract from this corrupt administration.

I explained that last night how we were told back in the day that shills needed to disclose who they worked for but they rarely did. I was referring to back when I remember it run rampant on stock market message boards. It was what we were told back then, sounds like it can run rampant today. Although wikipedia does say about an internet shill that in some cases it is illegal, it doesn't explain how. That's all I could find these days. The main thing is to know that shill marketing does exist.

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