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Old 05-05-2013, 06:03 PM  
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Bengahzi ? Wh Knew, Who lied, who turned a blind eye and deaf ears ?

Bengahzi, we all knew it was a cover up, millions of Americans was blind and deaf, yet still voted for a POTUS and staff that lied and covered it up.

Do you feel better about the POTUS now since this happened? ( as in your own twisted political view , you feel he was the right choice as POTUS )

Same, as in who cares?

Worst ?

So where do you stand about the current staff and the way Bengahzi was handled now ?
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:42 PM   #466
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In the end I see a number of preparedness issues and a few military screw ups but nothing huge that should be pinned on Clinton or Obama... EXCEPT for the entire Susan Rice debacle. She flat out LIED to the American public and that is completely unacceptable. All this other stuff should be looked into to avoid future screw ups but the "scandal" is the lie. Period.
Yesterday the full emails of the process that created the talking points was released to the public. They confirm that the CIA, from the beginning, believed that the attack was spontaneous and inspired by the mass protests. Susan Rice was just going with what the CIA told her, so I don't think you can really say she or anybody else lied so much as she accidentally misled based on incorrect intelligence at the time.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:15 PM   #467
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Yesterday the full emails of the process that created the talking points was released to the public. They confirm that the CIA, from the beginning, believed that the attack was spontaneous and inspired by the mass protests. Susan Rice was just going with what the CIA told her, so I don't think you can really say she lied so much as she accidentally misled based on incorrect intelligence at the time.
TIf you actually READ the emails... you'll see the CIA clearly edited the talking points after pressure from the State Dept.

Here is an excerpt you can find about 60% of the way down in the pdf of 100 pages of emails...

"The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind."

At this point all references to extremists and AQ were removed.

The emails released are also missing the two days immediately after the attack. Supposedly there was "guidance" from the State Dept during this period on what to emphasize in the talking points. Of course that can't be proven since the WH won't release those emails. Convenient.

I'm sure Rice just used the crap information provided to her... but the State Dept is ultimately responsible for crafting those lies (via the CIA) and people need to be held accountable.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:21 PM   #468
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Know what would really be unusual? If the govt or any large entity was writing a statement about a major event and there weren't any edits or revisions. JFC
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:24 PM   #469
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TIf you actually READ the emails... you'll see the CIA clearly edited the talking points after pressure from the State Dept.

Here is an excerpt you can find about 60% of the way down in the pdf of 100 pages of emails...

"The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind."

At this point all references to extremists and AQ were removed.

The emails released are also missing the two days immediately after the attack. Supposedly there was "guidance" from the State Dept during this period on what to emphasize in the talking points. Of course that can't be proven since the WH won't release those emails. Convenient.

I'm sure Rice just used the crap information provided to her... but the State Dept is ultimately responsible for crafting those lies (via the CIA) and people need to be held accountable.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:25 PM   #470
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TIf you actually READ the emails... you'll see the CIA clearly edited the talking points after pressure from the State Dept.

Here is an excerpt you can find about 60% of the way down in the pdf of 100 pages of emails...

"The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind."

At this point all references to extremists and AQ were removed.

The emails released are also missing the two days immediately after the attack. Supposedly there was "guidance" from the State Dept during this period on what to emphasize in the talking points. Of course that can't be proven since the WH won't release those emails. Convenient.

I'm sure Rice just used the crap information provided to her... but the State Dept is ultimately responsible for crafting those lies (via the CIA) and people need to be held accountable.
Who gives a shit who edited talking points? Thats the outrage?
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:26 PM   #471
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Know what would really be unusual? If the govt or any large entity was writing a statement about a major event and there weren't any edits or revisions.
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In the end I see a number of preparedness issues and a few military screw ups but nothing huge that should be pinned on Clinton or Obama... EXCEPT for the entire Susan Rice debacle. She flat out LIED to the American public and that is completely unacceptable. All this other stuff should be looked into to avoid future screw ups but the "scandal" is the lie. Period.
Big question on Obama is 'where was he'? He had a briefing in the middle of this and supposedly, he didn't even ask how it was going - instead, he went to campaign. If that is accurate ( which there is no indication it is not ), I want him impeached for being a cowardly, self-serving, piece of shit President.

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Yesterday the full emails of the process that created the talking points was released to the public. They confirm that the CIA, from the beginning, believed that the attack was spontaneous and inspired by the mass protests. Susan Rice was just going with what the CIA told her, so I don't think you can really say she or anybody else lied so much as she accidentally misled based on incorrect intelligence at the time.
Not the full emails - only from the 14th on. And if you read them ( I linked them in another thread ), the CIA originally was very clear about their warnings and ties to particular terrorists groups. So yes, when she blamed the video, she lied.
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Who gives a shit who edited talking points? Thats the outrage?
You must release the first draft! Impeachable offense!
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Big question on Obama is 'where was he'? He had a briefing in the middle of this and supposedly, he didn't even ask how it was going - instead, he went to campaign. If that is accurate ( which there is no indication it is not ), I want him impeached for being a cowardly, self-serving, piece of shit President.
Where do you get this stuff?
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Who gives a shit who edited talking points? Thats the outrage?
I guess if you think about this fairly without political bias and actually care that your gov't tells you the truth, you would care. See, I could give a _____ less about a witch hunt however when the entire initial subject matter of the talking point assessment from the CIA is radically deleted and reworded as it was to a bullcrap revisionist history of what happened, then I give a crap. It was a bold faced lie wherever the changes originated from and I do have a problem with our gov't blatantly lying to the U.S. populace in the midst of the final stages of a presidential election with lies that counteract one of the candidates storyline. If you don't see this...... I personally don't enjoy or turn my back on being lied to
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I guess if you think about this fairly without political bias and actually care that your gov't tells you the truth, you would care. See, I could give a _____ less about a witch hunt however when the entire initial subject matter of the talking point assessment from the CIA is radically deleted and reworded as it was to a bullcrap revisionist history of what happened, then I give a crap. It was a bold faced lie wherever the changes originated from and I do have a problem with our gov't blatantly lying to the U.S. populace in the midst of the final stages of a presidential election with lies that counteract one of the candidates storyline. If you don't see this...... I personally don't enjoy or turn my back on being lied to
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I guess if you think about this fairly without political bias and actually care that your gov't tells you the truth, you would care. See, I could give a _____ less about a witch hunt however when the entire initial subject matter of the talking point assessment from the CIA is radically deleted and reworded as it was to a bullcrap revisionist history of what happened, then I give a crap. It was a bold faced lie wherever the changes originated from and I do have a problem with our gov't blatantly lying to the U.S. populace in the midst of the final stages of a presidential election with lies that counteract one of the candidates storyline. If you don't see this...... I personally don't enjoy or turn my back on being lied to
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