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Old 05-05-2013, 05:03 PM  
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Bengahzi ? Wh Knew, Who lied, who turned a blind eye and deaf ears ?

Bengahzi, we all knew it was a cover up, millions of Americans was blind and deaf, yet still voted for a POTUS and staff that lied and covered it up.

Do you feel better about the POTUS now since this happened? ( as in your own twisted political view , you feel he was the right choice as POTUS )

Same, as in who cares?

Worst ?

So where do you stand about the current staff and the way Bengahzi was handled now ?
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:35 PM   #481
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Who gives a shit who edited talking points? Thats the outrage?
YES, that's MY outrage. When the US public is LIED to I think we all should care. The State Dept and recently the President himself have been caught LYING. That used to be a pretty big deal. Sad that it isn't anymore.

If that doesn't bother you than you have effectively given up. I can see why you would feel that way but it's not a good place for us as a people to be.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:38 PM   #482
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YES, that's MY outrage. When the US public is LIED to I think we all should care. The State Dept and recently the President himself have been caught LYING. That used to be a pretty big deal. Sad that it isn't anymore.

If that doesn't bother you than you have effectively given up. I can see why you would feel that way but it's not a good place for us as a people to be.
But....but...someone from the other party is worse so this is fine~
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:39 PM   #483
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TIf you actually READ the emails... you'll see the CIA clearly edited the talking points after pressure from the State Dept.

Here is an excerpt you can find about 60% of the way down in the pdf of 100 pages of emails...

"The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind."

At this point all references to extremists and AQ were removed.

The emails released are also missing the two days immediately after the attack. Supposedly there was "guidance" from the State Dept during this period on what to emphasize in the talking points. Of course that can't be proven since the WH won't release those emails. Convenient.

I'm sure Rice just used the crap information provided to her... but the State Dept is ultimately responsible for crafting those lies (via the CIA) and people need to be held accountable.
...and the CIA is complicit. They got experience with this sort of thing in Project Mockingbird.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #484
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BRC is a good guy. We just disagree on this. The stuff that goes on in here sometimes on both sides is ridiculous. But, the IRS thing is much more dangerous to this admin as well as all of us. It really is a big deal.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:40 PM   #485
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But....but...someone from the other party is worse so this is fine~
Yup, the old "Tu Quoque" fallacy. I run into this type of thinking far to often especially in political discourse
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:41 PM   #486
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Funny how just days before these shit storms hit. Obama was at OSU telling everyone not to listen. But hey man. He didnt know shit.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:42 PM   #487
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Yesterday the full emails of the process that created the talking points was released to the public. They confirm that the CIA, from the beginning, believed that the attack was spontaneous and inspired by the mass protests. Susan Rice was just going with what the CIA told her, so I don't think you can really say she or anybody else lied so much as she accidentally misled based on incorrect intelligence at the time.
You can't possibly believe this.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:42 PM   #488
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I guess if you think about this fairly without political bias and actually care that your gov't tells you the truth, you would care. See, I could give a _____ less about a witch hunt however when the entire initial subject matter of the talking point assessment from the CIA is radically deleted and reworded as it was to a bullcrap revisionist history of what happened, then I give a crap. It was a bold faced lie wherever the changes originated from and I do have a problem with our gov't blatantly lying to the U.S. populace in the midst of the final stages of a presidential election with lies that counteract one of the candidates storyline. If you don't see this...... I personally don't enjoy or turn my back on being lied to
Then you turned your back on Reagan?

The President, every President lies to us. Bush lied us into a whole ****ing war. What happened and what the public is told are not always the same thing. Rarely do they match up.

If you expect truth now, where was the outrage for every single President that has ever held the office?
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:43 PM   #489
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BRC is a good guy. We just disagree on this. The stuff that goes on in here sometimes on both sides is ridiculous. But, the IRS thing is much more dangerous to this admin as well as all of us. It really is a big deal.
Yes BRC is a good guy and his understanding of the Middle East is far better than most. I completely understand him being jaded about being lied to by the govt... I just don't agree that it isn;t a big deal or something we should be "used to" by now.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:44 PM   #490
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Then you turned your back on Reagan?

The President, every President lies to us. Bush lied us into a whole ****ing war. What happened and what the public is told are not always the same thing. Rarely do they match up.

If you expect truth now, where was the outrage for every single President that has ever held the office?
When contra happened, yes. When it was determined that we were lied into a war - yes. By the way, I did not vote for Bush second term FWIW
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:46 PM   #491
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You can't possibly believe this.
In FD's defense, if he is getting his news from the standard mainstream sources and not doing the research himself, this is what is now being sold to the public by a good portion of the press.

I was at a bar the other night and the left leaning guys there were worried about the AP thing but completely dismissive about Benghazi. No amount of FACTS I could bring up would sway them to think that it was anything other than a right wing witch hunt with no merit whatsoever.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:46 PM   #492
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TIf you actually READ the emails... you'll see the CIA clearly edited the talking points after pressure from the State Dept.

Here is an excerpt you can find about 60% of the way down in the pdf of 100 pages of emails...

"The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document. We revised the document with their concerns in mind."

At this point all references to extremists and AQ were removed.

The emails released are also missing the two days immediately after the attack. Supposedly there was "guidance" from the State Dept during this period on what to emphasize in the talking points. Of course that can't be proven since the WH won't release those emails. Convenient.

I'm sure Rice just used the crap information provided to her... but the State Dept is ultimately responsible for crafting those lies (via the CIA) and people need to be held accountable.
What matters is, in the first draft and in all subsequent drafts, the CIA said its best assessment was that the attack was spontaneous and a reaction to the protests. There was no dispute about that.

You can say very well that Rice and others' statements turned out to be incorrect, but they definitely weren't lies.
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Then you turned your back on Reagan?

The President, every President lies to us. Bush lied us into a whole ****ing war. What happened and what the public is told are not always the same thing. Rarely do they match up.

If you expect truth now, where was the outrage for every single President that has ever held the office?
You are one of the most worthless posters here and the bar is pretty low. Go start another suckup thread fat ****~
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:50 PM   #494
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BRC is a good guy. We just disagree on this. The stuff that goes on in here sometimes on both sides is ridiculous. But, the IRS thing is much more dangerous to this admin as well as all of us. It really is a big deal.
Talking points being changed? come on man thats not outrageous.

IRS targeting people based on political viewpoints is a very big deal. People need to go to jail. Independent investigations. We deserve to know how and why it was decided to target tea party groups. And people need to be held responsible for their decisions. No mercy. An example has to be made that politics have no place in the IRS.

Now on the other hand we do need to look at the whole 501C thingy. Why should the taxpayers subsidize billionaires political contributions? Its suppose to be a charity, right?
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What matters is, in the first draft and in all subsequent drafts, the CIA said its best assessment was that the attack was spontaneous and a reaction to the protests. There was no dispute about that.

You can say very well that Rice and others' statements turned out to be incorrect, but they definitely weren't lies.
I consider any statement that is purposely misleading to be a lie. By removing all the references to AQ and extremists and some other choice sections... what was presented became a lie.

It's no different than the edited 911 call by Zimmerman. By removing the important section where he was asked if the person was black, it significantly alters the narrative. It PURPOSELY misleads people. That is the same as what happened here.

AND, that may NOT be the first draft. We have no clue since we are only allowed the emails 2 days after. Who knows what was said and by who before these emails.
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