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Old 05-14-2013, 07:02 PM  
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WASHINGTON – A federal agency is proposing that states lower the threshold for drunken driving to the point where a woman could be charged for driving after one drink and a man after two in a move officials say would save thousands of lives.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all states drop the blood-alcohol level at which motorists can be charged with driving drunk to .05, down from the current rate of .08 that all 50 states impose. The threshold is a matter of state law, but the federal government can pressure states to meet its standard by threatening to withhold highway funding.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable."

- Deborah Hersman, chair of NTSB

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

More than 100 countries have adopted the .05 alcohol content standard or lower, according to an NTSB report. In Europe, drunken driving deaths were cut by more than half a decade after the stricter standard was implemented.

Studies show a woman weighing less than 120 pounds can reach .05 after just one drink, while a man weighing up to 160 pounds reaches .05 after two drinks.

New approaches are needed to combat drunken driving, which claims the lives of more than a third of the 30,000 people killed each year on U.S highways — a level of carnage that that has remained stubbornly consistent for the past decade and a half, the board said.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

But the recommendation to lowering the alcohol content threshold to .05 is likely to meet strong resistance from states, said Jonathan Adkins, an official with the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

"It was very difficult to get .08 in most states so lowering it again won't be popular," Adkins said. "The focus in the states is on high (blood alcohol content) offenders as well as repeat offenders. We expect industry will also be very vocal about keeping the limit at .08."

The lower alcohol content threshold was one of nearly 20 recommendations aimed at reducing drunken driving made by the board, including that states adopt measures to ensure more widespread use of use of alcohol ignition interlock devices. Those require a driver to breathe into a tube, much like the breathalyzers police ask suspected drunken drivers to use.

The board has previously recommended states require all convicted drunken drivers install the interlock devices in their vehicles as a condition to resume driving. Currently, 17 states and two California counties require all convicted drivers use the devices.

However, only about a quarter of drivers ordered to use the devices actually end up doing so, NTSB said. Drivers use a variety of ways to evade using the devices, including claiming they won't drive at all or don't own a vehicle and therefore don't need the devices, staff said.

The board recommended the National Highway Safety Administration, which makes safety grants to states, develop a program to encourage states to ensure all convicted drivers actually use the devices. The board also recommended that all suspected drunken drivers whose licenses are confiscated by police be required to install interlocks as a condition of getting their licenses reinstated even though they haven't yet been convicted of a crime.

Courts usually require drivers to pay for the devices, which cost about $50 to $100 to buy plus a $50 a month fee to operate, staff said.

The board has previously called on the safety administration and the auto industry to step up their research into technology for use in all vehicles that can detect whether a driver has elevated blood alcohol without the driver breathing into a tube or taking any other action. Drivers with elevated levels would be unable to start their cars.

But the technology is still years away.

Studies show more than 4 million people a year in the U.S. drive while intoxicated, but about half of the intoxicated drivers stopped by police escape detection, the NTSB report said. The board made several recommendations aimed at increasing both the visibility and effectiveness of police enforcement, including expanded use of passive alcohol devices. The devices are often contained in real flash lights or shaped to look like a cellphone that officers wear on their shirt pockets or belts. If an officer points the flashlight at a driver or the cellphone-like device comes in close proximity to an intoxicated driver, the devices will alert police who may not have any other reason to suspected drunken driving.

The use of the devices currently is very limited, the report said.

Dramatic progress was made in the 1980s through the mid-1990s after the minimum drinking age was raised to 21 and the legally-allowable maximum level of drivers' blood alcohol content was lowered to .08, the report said. Today, drunken driving claims about 10,000 lives a year, down from over 18,000 in 1982. At that time, alcohol-related fatalities accounted for about 40 percent of highway deaths.

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Old 05-16-2013, 05:43 PM   #91
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If they really wanted to stop drunk driving, they would make it a mandatory jail sentence. Municipalities are hurting bad after 5 years in a Ocommie economy, looking for new creative ways to sap revenue out of the citizenry.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:06 PM   #92
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If they were serious they would ban selling it at restaurants.

It's horseshit. Just an excuse to nail more people and keep feeding local municipalities money.

I don't condone drunk driving, but if they're truly serious then just outlaw it being sold in scenarios where people would drive Home
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:45 AM   #93
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Drunk drivers/Text drivers should all face harsh penalties. **** them both.
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:17 AM   #94
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And that has what to do with the discussion? I don't see anyone defending either~
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:34 AM   #95
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:36 AM   #96
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If they were serious they would ban selling it at restaurants.

It's horseshit. Just an excuse to nail more people and keep feeding local municipalities money.

I don't condone drunk driving, but if they're truly serious then just outlaw it being sold in scenarios where people would drive Home
I have never understood that. How can it be illegal to drive drunk, but you can drink alcohol in places you normally have to drive home from. IT'S A TRAP!!
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:45 AM   #97
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What? That's a pretty damn high number to blow. Most people will be driving impaired at that point.
I probably don't feel "impaired" until I get to the .2 range...

That said, I just won't drive after drinking anymore. The penalties are absurd.

It's just hilarious to me that terrible drivers are tolerated but someone who had a couple beers after work and doesn't use a turn signal is subjected to life ruining penalties.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:50 AM   #98
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How can it be illegal to drive drunk, but you can drink alcohol in places you normally have to drive home from. IT'S A TRAP!!
You can drink without getting drunk. I mean, it is possible, in theory. I've heard of it being done.

Maybe not I guess if they keep lowering the level though.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:57 AM   #100
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I probably don't feel "impaired" until I get to the .2 range...

That said, I just won't drive after drinking anymore. The penalties are absurd.

It's just hilarious to me that terrible drivers are tolerated but someone who had a couple beers after work and doesn't use a turn signal is subjected to life ruining penalties.


A couple of beers = .2... Have I seen you on an episode of cops?

Why am I getting arrested for blowing over 2 times the legal limit officer?
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:12 AM   #101
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Of course, the NTSB is presenting statistics without context. That's what it's all about (Speed kills! Look at all these accidents where the driver was going over the speed limit! We won't talk about the percentage of drivers that are being counted in this stat that were going 5-10 over, or the percentage of drivers who go 5-10 over the speed limit at all times, because that context would kill our argument!)

I'd honestly rather see the limit made 0.0 than 0.5. It's more honest (though this would be a crippling blow to the restaurant and bar industries). I also think a random BAC content taken during a traffic stop is a poor measure of how impaired an individual is.

Citing Europe as an example for what America should do for its drunken driving laws is pretty stupid, though. In Europe, mass public transit is cheap and widely available. Things are less spread and spaced out.

It's an apples and oranges comparison.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:32 AM   #102
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:31 AM   #103
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I tend to follow the rules more cautiously.
I don't know if you are being serious, but anyone I've ever known that has said something like this is ****ing moron. Maybe you're the exception though.
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