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Old 05-14-2013, 07:02 PM  
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Feds want a 1 drink DUI

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/14...ing-threshold/

WASHINGTON A federal agency is proposing that states lower the threshold for drunken driving to the point where a woman could be charged for driving after one drink and a man after two in a move officials say would save thousands of lives.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all states drop the blood-alcohol level at which motorists can be charged with driving drunk to .05, down from the current rate of .08 that all 50 states impose. The threshold is a matter of state law, but the federal government can pressure states to meet its standard by threatening to withhold highway funding.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable."

- Deborah Hersman, chair of NTSB

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

More than 100 countries have adopted the .05 alcohol content standard or lower, according to an NTSB report. In Europe, drunken driving deaths were cut by more than half a decade after the stricter standard was implemented.

Studies show a woman weighing less than 120 pounds can reach .05 after just one drink, while a man weighing up to 160 pounds reaches .05 after two drinks.

New approaches are needed to combat drunken driving, which claims the lives of more than a third of the 30,000 people killed each year on U.S highways a level of carnage that that has remained stubbornly consistent for the past decade and a half, the board said.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

But the recommendation to lowering the alcohol content threshold to .05 is likely to meet strong resistance from states, said Jonathan Adkins, an official with the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

"It was very difficult to get .08 in most states so lowering it again won't be popular," Adkins said. "The focus in the states is on high (blood alcohol content) offenders as well as repeat offenders. We expect industry will also be very vocal about keeping the limit at .08."

The lower alcohol content threshold was one of nearly 20 recommendations aimed at reducing drunken driving made by the board, including that states adopt measures to ensure more widespread use of use of alcohol ignition interlock devices. Those require a driver to breathe into a tube, much like the breathalyzers police ask suspected drunken drivers to use.

The board has previously recommended states require all convicted drunken drivers install the interlock devices in their vehicles as a condition to resume driving. Currently, 17 states and two California counties require all convicted drivers use the devices.

However, only about a quarter of drivers ordered to use the devices actually end up doing so, NTSB said. Drivers use a variety of ways to evade using the devices, including claiming they won't drive at all or don't own a vehicle and therefore don't need the devices, staff said.

The board recommended the National Highway Safety Administration, which makes safety grants to states, develop a program to encourage states to ensure all convicted drivers actually use the devices. The board also recommended that all suspected drunken drivers whose licenses are confiscated by police be required to install interlocks as a condition of getting their licenses reinstated even though they haven't yet been convicted of a crime.

Courts usually require drivers to pay for the devices, which cost about $50 to $100 to buy plus a $50 a month fee to operate, staff said.

The board has previously called on the safety administration and the auto industry to step up their research into technology for use in all vehicles that can detect whether a driver has elevated blood alcohol without the driver breathing into a tube or taking any other action. Drivers with elevated levels would be unable to start their cars.

But the technology is still years away.

Studies show more than 4 million people a year in the U.S. drive while intoxicated, but about half of the intoxicated drivers stopped by police escape detection, the NTSB report said. The board made several recommendations aimed at increasing both the visibility and effectiveness of police enforcement, including expanded use of passive alcohol devices. The devices are often contained in real flash lights or shaped to look like a cellphone that officers wear on their shirt pockets or belts. If an officer points the flashlight at a driver or the cellphone-like device comes in close proximity to an intoxicated driver, the devices will alert police who may not have any other reason to suspected drunken driving.

The use of the devices currently is very limited, the report said.

Dramatic progress was made in the 1980s through the mid-1990s after the minimum drinking age was raised to 21 and the legally-allowable maximum level of drivers' blood alcohol content was lowered to .08, the report said. Today, drunken driving claims about 10,000 lives a year, down from over 18,000 in 1982. At that time, alcohol-related fatalities accounted for about 40 percent of highway deaths.

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Old 05-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #106
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I actually drive better when drunk.


I tend to follow the rules more cautiously.
yes, smart drunk drivers (oxymoron) try to follow the road laws perfectly. Been there, done that, was young and dumb. But if something came out at you and you needed to react fast. What's gonna happen?
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:00 PM   #107
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yes, smart drunk drivers (oxymoron) try to follow the road laws perfectly. Been there, done that, was young and dumb. But if something came out at you and you needed to react fast. What's gonna happen?
So if another driver ****s up and hits a cautious drunk driver the drunk driver is at fault for being drunk.

I understand the need to keep drunks off the road I just think there should be a lowered tier for drunk drivers who make a mistake rather than throwing the book at them for an illegal lane shift and one failed breathalyzer.

Citations instead of arrests.
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:03 PM   #108
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A couple of beers = .2... Have I seen you on an episode of cops?

Why am I getting arrested for blowing over 2 times the legal limit officer?
I don't know what to tell you. I can drink 8 beers and safely drive a car.

Now I refuse to do it because it's not worth it.

I think .08 is a joke.

Of course if you're pulled over for doing something minor and now that and get arrested more often than not it'll get thrown out.
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:17 PM   #109
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This is how stupid a BAC of .08 is...

http://www.intheknowzone.com/substan...cohol/bac.html

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BAC .02
Drinkers begin to feel moderate effects.
BAC .04
Most people begin to feel relaxed, mildly euphoric, sociable, and talkative.
BAC .05
Judgment, attention, and control are somewhat impaired. Ability to drive safely begins to be limited. Sensory-motor and finer performance are impaired. People are less able to make rational decisions about their capabilities (for example, about driving.)

BAC .08
This is legal level for intoxication in some states. There is a definite impairment of muscle coordination and driving skills.
BAC .10
This is legally drunk in most states. There is a clear deterioration of reaction time and control.
BAC .12-.15
Vomiting usually occurs, unless this level is reached slowly or a person has developed a tolerance to alcohol. Drinkers are drowsy.
Drinkers display emotional instability, loss of critical judgment, impairment of perception, memory, and comprehension.
Lack of sensor-motor coordination and impaired balance are typical. Decreased sensory responses and increased reaction times develop. The vision is significantly impaired, including limited ability to see detail, peripheral vision, and slower glare recovery.
BAC .15
This blood-alcohol level means the equivalent of 1/2 pint of whiskey is circulating in the blood stream.
BAC .18-.25
Drinkers are disoriented, confused, dizzy, and have exaggerated emotional states. Vision is disturbed, as is perception of color, form, motion, and dimensions.
Drinkers have increased pain threshold and lack of muscular coordination. Drinkers stagger or lose the ability to walk and have slurred speech. Apathy and lethargy are typical.
BAC .25-.30
Drinkers display general inertia, near total loss of motor functions, little response to stimuli, inability to stand or walk, vomiting, and incontinence. Drinkers may lose consciousness or fall into a stupor.
BAC .30-.50
Symptoms are complete unconsciousness, depressed or absent reflexes, subnormal body temperature, incontinence, and impairment of circulation and respiration.

Death may occur at .37% or higher. BACs of .45% and higher are fatal to nearly all individuals.
Drunk drivers should only be punished for causing something and not because they haven't caused something yet... logical. Lets wait until they kill someone first!

I would think that for being such a "great drunk driver" you would be able to avoid something "minor" while driving, but I will admit it is very difficult to flick the turn signals on.

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Old 05-17-2013, 05:52 PM   #110
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This is how stupid a BAC of .08 is...

http://www.intheknowzone.com/substan...cohol/bac.html



Drunk drivers should only be punished for causing something and not because they haven't caused something yet... logical. Lets wait until they kill someone first!

I would think that for being such a "great drunk driver" you would be able to avoid something "minor" while driving, but I will admit it is very difficult to flick the turn signals on.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:36 PM   #111
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:53 PM   #112
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Colorado is already a .05 state so I'm not sure why they want to raise the ante from DWAI (driving while ability impaired) which starts at .05 to a DUI (driving under the influence) which starts at .075 and beyond. They will already arrest you at .05 so the new law proposal will do little, if anything, here as far as keeping more drinkers off the streets.

I suspect the alcohol classes , fines, etc. are a bit higher for a DUI, versus a DWAI, and I think the County, State, get a bit more coins in their coffers as a result. I went to jail here for blowing a .062 many years back. In most States at that time the cops would have thanked me for not driving under the influence and sent me on my merry way.
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My views on drinking and driving have changed over the years.

When I was young, I didn't see the big deal. I will admit, I was as guilty as anyone else.

When I grew up, reality set in.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:18 AM   #114
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Thousands are maimed/killed each year nationwide because people don't have the personal responsibility to ensure they are sober before driving.

Why shouldn't there be ZERO tolerance of boose/weed and driving?

Loss of license, major $$ fines, and jail time?? Here in Wisconsin, I read all the time of people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th, OWI/DUI.
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Thousands are maimed/killed each year nationwide because people don't have the personal responsibility to ensure they are sober before driving.

Why shouldn't there be ZERO tolerance of boose/weed and driving?

Loss of license, major $$ fines, and jail time?? Here in Wisconsin, I read all the time of people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th, OWI/DUI.
If you drink, don't get behind the wheel or it's your ass.

Drinking and Driving is a lesson learned AFTER you get caught by 95% of the population.

The first punishment should be tough enough to teach them a lesson, but the second should be horrific.
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Nah bro, there is no test that shows you are under the influence of THC. I could smoke it on a Wednesday and it'll show up in my blood for at least a week if not longer.
That is why I have always said we will never be able to legalize pot. There is no way to determine if the driver is currently stoned or just smoked some in the last couple of weeks.

Easy answer to the whole issue (I have posted this several times in this forum): self-driving cars. Then it doesn't matter the condition of the "driver."
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That is why I have always said we will never be able to legalize pot. There is no way to determine if the driver is currently stoned or just smoked some in the last couple of weeks.

Easy answer to the whole issue (I have posted this several times in this forum): self-driving cars. Then it doesn't matter the condition of the "driver."
I have said a similar thing to people when talking about weed. They might legalize it but companies will still test for it and not allow it. I have read depending on the fat percentage of the user it stays in the system for up to a month (regular user)
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