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Men who are physically strong are more likely to take a right wing political stance

Men who are physically strong are more likely to take a right wing political stance, while weaker men are inclined to support the welfare state, according to a new study.

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Old 05-17-2013, 09:51 AM   #31
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:14 PM   #32
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If the right wingers are stronger, the liberals are more intelligent.

There may be a bit of truth to both stereotypes.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:19 PM   #33
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really , I equate facism with nazis and that is totalitarianism, means the control every thing right?


thinking that is more of what wall street and the big banks are doing right now, citizens united,


am I wrong
If you use a scale that places no govt on the right, and total govt on the left—all forms of BIG govt including totalitarian are on the left by degree. That's the spectrum I use because the left-right spectrum from the French Revolution is outdated and doesn't work. It has no place for anarchy or anything in between anarchy and total govt. It's two-valued logic.

This should clear up why I say, and not just I say it, fascism is on the left.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:20 PM   #34
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If the right wingers are stronger, the liberals are more intelligent.

There may be a bit of truth to both stereotypes.
Yet they're not wise. Book smart perhaps but not on things that actually work in the real world. That requires common sense and wisdom. Otherwise, they wouldn't embrace socialism...but they do, despite it's never having worked anywhere. Unless, you want to embrace primitive societies with tribes. Cause that's what uses that model.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:45 PM   #35
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If you use a scale that places no govt on the right, and total govt on the left—all forms of BIG govt including totalitarian are on the left by degree. That's the spectrum I use because the left-right spectrum from the French Revolution is outdated and doesn't work. It has no place for anarchy or anything in between anarchy and total govt. It's two-valued logic.

This should clear up why I say, and not just I say it, fascism is on the left.
Here's an article I found that mentions this and provides an experimental "spectrum" that the author created:



http://wesleygant.com/2009/01/05/pol...logy-spectrum/
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Thank you Listo. I Just don't really care for those scales. Sure it does illustrate what he is writing about, but I don't see those as the issue as much.

I use the one from the Federalist society, which is what I described. It illustrates what the Framers were discussing and trying to do. Find a balance between too much govt and too little or none. So that linear scale can be bent into a U or circle.

The guy in your link is illustratiing morality, liberty and equality or individuals v the state but has society as the same as the state. I believe that to be an error of logic.

Although, I agree with this part of what he says:

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Most traditional political diagrams show a horizontal line with liberalism on the left and conservatism on the right. This is confusing, and somewhat misleading. The concept (and the terms used) came from the French Revolution, when the people who were for radical change sat on the left, and those that wanted to hold onto some traditions and allow change to occur gradually sat on the right. So today the terms seem out of place.
He's confused about what liberalism is or that it should be liberalism v conservatism. He's basing his scale off of popular arguments based on words being redefined to suit the agendas of some political types. Mine illustrates how much govt is necessary. Fascism is simply socialism while maintaining the facade of property being privately held. It need not have the racist element for fascism to exist. Today's liberals are not liberals in the classical sense.

Also, it was the aristocrats that sat on the right. It wasn't just holding onto traditions with them. They were connected to state power.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:28 PM   #37
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If you use a scale that places no govt on the right, and total govt on the left—all forms of BIG govt including totalitarian are on the left by degree. That's the spectrum I use because the left-right spectrum from the French Revolution is outdated and doesn't work. It has no place for anarchy or anything in between anarchy and total govt. It's two-valued logic.

This should clear up why I say, and not just I say it, fascism is on the left.
Creating new definitions for things is pretty convenient.
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Yet they're not wise. Book smart perhaps but not on things that actually work in the real world. That requires common sense and wisdom. Otherwise, they wouldn't embrace socialism...but they do, despite it's never having worked anywhere. Unless, you want to embrace primitive societies with tribes. Cause that's what uses that model.
BEP, pretty much every single philosophy and principle you believe in can be described as "doesn't work in the real world."
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The American Revolution's ideas are dead to you, you skinny weakling.
Unbending ideology is always going to be a failure, no matter where on the spectrum it originates. You are an rigid ideologue.
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Yet they're not wise. Book smart perhaps but not on things that actually work in the real world. That requires common sense and wisdom. Otherwise, they wouldn't embrace socialism...but they do, despite it's never having worked anywhere. Unless, you want to embrace primitive societies with tribes. Cause that's what uses that model.
Leave the complicated things like economic theory to the intelligent liberals. Perhaps you could use your hulking strength to pound sand in your back yard?
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Thank you Listo. I Just don't really care for those scales. Sure it does illustrate what he is writing about, but I don't see those as the issue as much.

I use the one from the Federalist society, which is what I described. It illustrates what the Framers were discussing and trying to do. Find a balance between too much govt and too little or none. So that linear scale can be bent into a U or circle.

The guy in your link is illustrating morality, liberty and equality or individuals v the state but has society as the same as the state. I believe that to be an error of logic.

Although, I agree with this part of what he says:



He's confused about what liberalism is or that it should be liberalism v conservatism. He's basing his scale off of popular arguments based on words being redefined to suit the agendas of some political types. Mine illustrates how much govt is necessary. Fascism is simply socialism while maintaining the facade of property being privately held. It need not have the racist element for fascism to exist. Today's liberals are not liberals in the classical sense.

Also, it was the aristocrats that sat on the right. It wasn't just holding onto traditions with them. They were connected to state power.
Yeah, his design doesn't sit perfectly with me either. In every scale or spectrum I've seen there is a bias for showing that the other guys are just a few steps away from every evil leader that ever lived. I've seen a horseshoe shaped one as well, but I think there may just be inherent flaws in the concept of a political "scale" itself when attempting to show a link between multiple variables.
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Leave the complicated things like economic theory to the intelligent liberals. Perhaps you could use your hulking strength to pound sand in your back yard?
I do. The real ones—the classical liberals such as Smith, Bastiat, Mises, Hayek, and their contemporaries such as Peter Schiff and Ron Paul.

Not a bunch of left leaning progs, who are just economic fascists thinly disguised as liberals. Liberal meant free markets because markets were controlled by states under the previous era of mercantilism. Ya' know controlling outcomes. Control ideologies, ( fascism, socialism, communism, mercantilism, mixed-economies) love that type of thing. The people who like it are imo, control cases.
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Yeah, his design doesn't sit perfectly with me either. In every scale or spectrum I've seen there is a bias for showing that the other guys are just a few steps away from every evil leader that ever lived. I've seen a horseshoe shaped one as well, but I think there may just be inherent flaws in the concept of a political "scale" itself when attempting to show a link between multiple variables.
This forum had a few long discussions on this. My stand is that you can probably use any scale you want—depending on what you're trying to illustrate. It's just a graphic for what a person is analyzing.

I like the simple concept of too much or too little govt. It takes care of many multiple variables without having to be complex about what they are. In our original system the many variables aren't even supposed to be dealt with by the federal govt as per Federalist #45.
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