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View Poll Results: Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?
Yes, it is morally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, it is morally and legally wrong 32 50.79%
No, its not morally wrong 0 0%
No, its not morally or legally wrong 10 15.87%
Yes, its legally wrong but morally right 0 0%
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:51 PM  
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Is discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation wrong?

I've never had a publicly gay friend, family member or co-worker. I have no experience with anyone being discriminated against for being gay. I can't understand the concept of male wanting to have sex with another male.

But, I don't have to understand it. Whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

I believe that discriminating against someone only because of their sexual orientation is wrong and is/should be constitutionally protected.
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:43 PM   #226
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So, BRC are you against raced based affirmative action programs?
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I know its open doors for some people that wouldn't have had an opportunity otherwise. But, its just not the best way to correct discrimination based on race. You end up discriminating against someone else based on race. How does that make sense?
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:23 PM   #227
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I researched this years ago and found no such thing despite some vague claims by a tiny handful on the left.
With a minimum of "research" (a quick look at Wikipedia) I found many examples that same sex marriage was recognized by either the Church, the State or both as opposed to marriage only referring to between a man and a woman. Here is a good place for you to start, it covers both marriages and unions:

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This isn't really relevant to what I was saying. It wasn't what I was saying at all. I was saying that people just up and married without the state. I also wasn't talking about what you are labelling "traditional marriage" as we know it today. I was talking about what you just agreed was exclusively of opposite gender as a basis for a marriage while holding different forms. It was the common denominator.
No, I said almost exclusively of opposite gender. Opposite gender is the common denominator in Biblical marriage. Christians have a long history of working to outlaw same sex marriage and have also modified marriage from its Biblical forms to what exists in present day America. What I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of people who are trying to defend a "traditional" or "historic" definition of marriage when they have know clue what those traditions really are and are apparently ignorant of the history of the institution.

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Doesn't matter. That still doesn't produce offspring in a natural state (without man made science intervening). So it's not based on natural law.
Yes, actually it matters quite a bit. "Homosexual" behavior in animals, especially to the point of pair bonding, shows that this behavior exists without the influence of Man.


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Clinical studies show otherwise, even in countries like Holland which is tolerant and grants them many more positivist "rights." Perhaps it's marriage that's the problem here? So why get married? Heh!
Personal experience shows otherwise.

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In a free country people have a right to be a bigot. That's libertarianism as opposed to cultural Marxism where the state is used to punish those who don't agree. Live and let live means exactly that.
Why is it more important to you that someone has a right to be a bigot (which I agree with by the way), than it is that someone have the right to marry whoever they choose? In what way is it rational that "live and let live" doesn't apply to marriage?


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You are free to not accept it, but history shows what people did and why otherwise. That is exactly what marriage was about for millenia. It was primarily an economic union for survival and parents chose partners in order to unite families for this reason. They would try to maintain wealth. You see it in novels from different eras even. If someone was caught kissing someone they were also considered married. If you think marriage is just about love and sexual attraction then you have a very limited understanding of why marriage was created or what it was through history. That is a relatively new and very modern idea. It also doesn't seem to have worked well when one sees the rates of divorce.
What I have is the viewpoint of a person living in our current time period. Life isn't a Harlequin Romance book.


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No equality does not mean everything or everyone is the same. They have the same rights as everyone else. I get that you don't accept it but your argument is a cultural Marxist one—not a libertarian one. I simply disagree with the arguments and claims that the left makes on this issue—not the end result. I don't want to see businesses and landlord's sued which using the statists' arguments would do.
Equality absolutely does mean that everyone is treated the same in the eyes of the law by our government. Actually your argument against allowing same sex marriage because you don't see a benefit to society in general is a brutal endorsement of oppressive socialism.

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I never said there weren't any changes. I was commenting on what you claimed to be self-evident which it's not.
...and the argument that gay people can still marry someone of the opposite gender if they want is still a ridiculous cop out. And no, marriage has not been exclusively defined as between a man and a woman for millenia.

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Here's one change you don't seem to recognize: marry for love alone was considered a scandal for a much longer period than the time that changed which was only in recent history. That only began to change around the turn of the 18th-19th century. Frankly, it hasn't seemed to work better when people choose their own partner based on love.
Are you really trying to suggest that no one married for love until the 18th or 19th century?



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You omitted my point about it being an economic union though. This was mentioned because that was it's original purpose. It was the purpose since so many people died young and didn't make it to adulthood. They didn't have the economic systems we have today. It was an economic unit that benefited individuals in many ways. Hence the procreation aspect as children were considered wealth—unlike today where they're considered an expense only.
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Purely an opinion. Not making that argument anyway. Was stating the history of the institution which is fact. That's why people joined together which benefited each individual in that unit. People don't survive well all alone as an individual. They form groups and communities for a reason. The family is just the smallest governing unit.
No you really aren't stating the history of marriage. It's been going on for a very, very long time. This is the problem with a lot of Americans who are opposing gay marriage currently. They are drawing from the Bible for reasons, and looking to a Christian dominated historical Europe for examples.
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:21 PM   #230
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With a minimum of "research" (a quick look at Wikipedia) I found many examples that same sex marriage was recognized by either the Church, the State or both as opposed to marriage only referring to between a man and a woman. Here is a good place for you to start, it covers both marriages and unions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
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2. No, you haven't.

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No, I said almost exclusively of opposite gender. Opposite gender is the common denominator in Biblical marriage. Christians have a long history of working to outlaw same sex marriage and have also modified marriage from its Biblical forms to what exists in present day America. What I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of people who are trying to defend a "traditional" or "historic" definition of marriage when they have know clue what those traditions really are and are apparently ignorant of the history of the institution.
No major religion has ever considered marriage anything but between men and a women until recent times, period, and those that do are fringe and being met with backlash ( Episcopal ). You are either out right lying bout Biblical history or o brainwashed you actually believe the shit coming out of your mouth.
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Yes, actually it matters quite a bit. "Homosexual" behavior in animals, especially to the point of pair bonding, shows that this behavior exists without the influence of Man.
So do other mental diseases - what's your point? FYI, most 'homo animals' are actually acts of domination - nothing more.
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Why is it more important to you that someone has a right to be a bigot (which I agree with by the way), than it is that someone have the right to marry whoever they choose? In what way is it rational that "live and let live" doesn't apply to marriage?
A 'right' is something innate and independent from any one else, thereby something like marriage can never be a 'right'.
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What I have is the viewpoint of a person living in our current time period. Life isn't a Harlequin Romance book.
What you have is the viewpoint of someone with cranial anal inversion that is infecting our nation, where people want to pervert the very definitions of institutions - especially religious ones - to appease the minority ( 2% in this case ) in their quest to destroy the fabric of decent society under the guise of tolerance.
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Equality absolutely does mean that everyone is treated the same in the eyes of the law by our government. Actually your argument against allowing same sex marriage because you don't see a benefit to society in general is a brutal endorsement of oppressive socialism.
Mindnumbling wrong. People are different and treated different every day - and should be. If things were your way, everyone would be hired for any job despite qualifications and every contest would be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Equality means having equal inalienable, rights - which marriage is not one of.

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...and the argument that gay people can still marry someone of the opposite gender if they want is still a ridiculous cop out. And no, marriage has not been exclusively defined as between a man and a woman for millenia.
You really are stupid. Marriage is unilaterally defined as between a man and a woman, period. Only perverts and idiots have tried to redefine it. What is sick is this PC pussy whipped world that wants to redefine everything from basic, religious institutions, to the very definition of 'winning' ( ie. participation trophies ). Just because you don't belong to a club doesn't mean you get to force your way in - that's you stepping on other people's rights.

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No you really aren't stating the history of marriage. It's been going on for a very, very long time. This is the problem with a lot of Americans who are opposing gay marriage currently. They are drawing from the Bible for reasons, and looking to a Christian dominated historical Europe for examples.
You really need to learn your history and stop relying on sources that any one can edit at any time to say anything ( ie wikipedia, random web pages ).
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Wow, you really are a moron. Try actually reading your own sacred text. Then try actually reading the sources linked in that wiki. Or just remain a willfully ignorant bigot. Whatever works for you.
A willfully ignorant bigot isn't a bad way to go through life. Think of all the sexy women you could still have....
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Wow, you really are a moron. Try actually reading your own sacred text. Then try actually reading the sources linked in that wiki. Or just remain a willfully ignorant bigot. Whatever works for you.
It's ****ing Tom. What did you expect from such a well established assclown?
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Wow, you really are a moron. Try actually reading your own sacred text. Then try actually reading the sources linked in that wiki. Or just remain a willfully ignorant bigot. Whatever works for you.
Dude you need to be scolded! Reading the exchange between you and this guy (maybe Tom) is like watching Floyd Mayweather slap box a 10 year old. Bro find a more worthy opponent~
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You really are stupid. Marriage is unilaterally defined as between a man and a woman, period. Only perverts and idiots have tried to redefine it.
Who are you to tell everyone else who they can love and who they can't? What right does the government or society have to tell consenting adults what they can and can't do in the privacy of the bedroom?

They are born the way they are. If all children are created in God's image. Would not God be accepting of them as they are? Or is it the devil that got into the womb and made them warped human beings?
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Yeah, you're both correct. I'd rather discuss it with patteeu and BEP as they both think about what they are trying to say and offer compelling viewpoints that are different from my own.
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Who are you to tell everyone else who they can love and who they can't? What right does the government or society have to tell consenting adults what they can and can't do in the privacy of the bedroom?

They are born the way they are. If all children are created in God's image. Would not God be accepting of them as they are? Or is it the devil that got into the womb and made them warped human beings?
The same sex marriage debate isn't about who people can love.
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