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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:42 PM   #91
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Perfectly familiar with it. Now, please detail why you think these operations violate it.


You actually need to ask?
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:45 PM   #92
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Unfortunately, as Amnorix has pointed out, the 4th does NOT apply to data held by a 3rd party. You effectively waived your 4th Amendment rights when you "gave" your data to the phone company, or Facebook, or Google, etc etc
Those are not the govt but private entities. Last I checked the Constitution restrains the Federal govt. The govt set up private rooms in those places to get that information.

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This has consistently been the Supreme Court's stance.
As if all judges on the SC don't make legal errors. Let's start with ACA not even knowing the Origination Clause if it were really a tax.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:45 PM   #93
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You don't say..
I know I was stating the obvious. I read that he is on the run now and left his hotel in Hong Kong. He probably should have picked a different city\country.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:46 PM   #94
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So, I don't understand what you meant with your comment. Even Snowden's WP contact said that he tends to be a bit on the melodramatic side.
Which is just a person's opinion.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:46 PM   #95
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You actually need to ask?
Yes.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:47 PM   #96
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Hey, speaking of off, what do you think about the ricin letter development?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=273479
I commented in another thread. Go find it.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:48 PM   #97
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Kooks who can't acknowledge their own kookiness, and can't have a laugh when their kookiness is exposed as being horribly wrong and inaccurate.
So you really have nothing. I thought so. Thanks for conceding your side of the argument—again.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:48 PM   #98
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I commented in another thread. Go find it.
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So you really have nothing. I thought so. Thanks for conceding your side of the argument—again.
Nothing, eh?

Your words regarding who sent the ricin letters:

Sounds like some agent provocateur trying to make gun rights folks look bad, in order to take guns away.
Something some communist, fascists or other totalitarians might do.
Meanwhile, sheep eat it up!


Well, it turns out that it was actually a disgruntled wife.

Missed it by * this * much.

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Old 06-10-2013, 12:51 PM   #100
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So if Snowden shouldn't have reported it, as any true libertarian would, I suppose he could have sabotaged his work products the way Nazis slave-laborers did.

Ha, ha, ha.

Who keeps us safe from the wolves in govt. It's a conservative principle that govt tends to attract the more dubious types and criminals. They're usually around in droves when govt has gotten huge.
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Those are not the govt but private entities. Last I checked the Constitution restrains the Federal govt. The govt set up private rooms in those places to get that information.
And your point is? My point is simple. Under current interpretations of the 4th, you don't have a right to privacy concerning data held by a 3rd party. Period. I think the Supreme Court is going to need to revisit this issue soon because of the way technology is making it impossible for us to communicate except through 3rd parties.

What would be cool as hell is if Google and Facebook and others enacted PGP encryption on all their messaging. The NSA would then have to spend a month decrypting one single email. It's almost to the point where I think that people in certain fields (like journalism) who aren't using encryption deserve to have their emails read... it's inexcusable for them to be so ridiculously naive.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:54 PM   #102
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Nothing, eh?

Your words regarding who sent the ricin letters:

Sounds like some agent provocateur trying to make gun rights folks look bad, in order to take guns away.
Something some communist, fascists or other totalitarians might do.
Meanwhile, sheep eat it up!


Well, it turns out that it was actually a disgruntled wife.

Missed it by * this * much.

So why'd you ask?

It's irrelevant, anyway, since this topic has nothing to do with any provocateurs. ( That would be an argument your side could make on Snowden) You're reaching now. That happens when you can't differentiate an apple from an orange.
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And your point is? My point is simple. Under current interpretations of the 4th, you don't have a right to privacy concerning data held by a 3rd party. Period. I think the Supreme Court is going to need to revisit this issue soon because of the way technology is making it impossible for us to communicate except through 3rd parties.

What would be cool as hell is if Google and Facebook and others enacted PGP encryption on all their messaging. The NSA would then have to spend a month decrypting one single email. It's almost to the point where I think that people in certain fields (like journalism) who aren't using encryption deserve to have their emails read... it's inexcusable for them to be so ridiculously naive.
I don't go by interpretations. Especially, by men who will not be bound down by its chains. I go by what the document says on its face.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:55 PM   #104
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So why'd you ask?

It's irrelevant, anyway, since this topic has nothing to do with any provocateurs. ( That would be an argument your side could make on Snowden) You're reaching now. That happens when you can't differentiate an apple from an orange.
Hang on. I'll bump the thread in question, and we can discuss it there.
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