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Old 06-10-2013, 09:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:33 PM   #136
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Because KEEPING the oath about upholding the Constitution supersedes the oath that he broke.
As has been explained, the Constitution hasn't been violated.

Why do people just gloss over that rather pertinent fact?
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:34 PM   #137
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Because KEEPING the oath about upholding the Constitution supersedes the oath that he broke.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:34 PM   #138
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Because KEEPING the oath about upholding the Constitution supersedes the oath that he broke.
I understand your view. I'm concerned about those in a cleared position taking it upon themselves to be judge and jury. A very slippery slope with potentially grave consequences.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:37 PM   #139
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I understand your view. I'm concerned about those in a cleared position taking it upon themselves to be judge and jury. A very slippery slope with potentially brave consequences.
That's the risk you take when you have a bunch of secret shit going on. And I am of the opinion that I would rather be free and at risk than be safe without rights.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:39 PM   #140
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:39 PM   #141
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That's the risk you take when you have a bunch of secret shit going on. And I am of the opinion that I would rather be free and at risk than be safe without rights.
Fair enough. I'd rather be free, with rights. There is a price we pay for that. There is also the question of honor.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:39 PM   #142
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Plus, if that's all true what does that do to something like HIPPA? So your doctor can blab about your health issues to anyone including govt now? Your lawyer? Your psychiatrist? Your priest?

I almost thought that you were about to 'get' it. Since the medical records and info are not in your possession, it is questionable at best on whether the 4th Am would apply. Therefore, a specific law was passed in order to protect your privacy regarding that information.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:41 PM   #143
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Fair enough. I'd rather be free, with rights. There is a price we pay for that. There is also the question of honor.
Honor? How does that fit in?
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:42 PM   #144
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As has been explained, the Constitution hasn't been violated.

Why do people just gloss over that rather pertinent fact?
I'm not glossing over anything. The Fourth Amendment has been violated. It's been violated by judges who have tried to water it down. It has been violated by politicians and government agencies who want to make catching criminals and terrorists easier at the expense of the rights of ordinary law-abiding citizens.

You don't have to agree with me, but you can't say that I glossed over it.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:43 PM   #145
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I almost thought that you were about to 'get' it. Since the medical records and info are not in your possession, it is questionable at best on whether the 4th Am would apply. Therefore, a specific law was passed in order to protect your privacy regarding that information.
I know that but it's being argued by some that private data records are no longer ours once given to another private entity. So if that's the Constitutional basis for a case what does it do to other laws under our current national security threats?
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The Fourth Amendment has been violated.
That's your opinion, right? Are you a SC judge?
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:49 PM   #147
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That's your opinion, right? Are you a SC judge?
Yeah that's my opinion. What the **** do you think this forum is?
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Honor? How does that fit in?
If you have to ask......
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It's fascism.

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Fascism is the system of government that cartelizes the private sector, centrally plans the economy to subsidize producers, exalts the police State as the source of order, denies fundamental rights and liberties to individuals, and makes the executive State the unlimited master of society.

This describes mainstream politics in America today. And not just in America. It’s true in Europe, too. It is so much part of the mainstream that it is hardly noticed any more. - Libertarian Lew Rockwell

Another marker of Fascist Policy

The government does not acknowledge any restraint upon its powers. ( The SCOTUS decision past SCOTUS decision on handing private data to a third party no longer being private...as in private from the govt. This includes those you use it as a legitimate defense.)
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