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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:00 PM   #2026
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:03 PM   #2027
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The Cards have already moved Carson Kelly to 3b and they seem to really like Patrick Wisdom.

Moving Carpenter back to 3b when he's proven average to slightly above defensively at 2b would be foolish. He's been one of the few players you'll ever see to actually make the shift up the defensive spectrum and somehow not take a step backwards.

As far as I'm concerned, Matt Carpenter is a 2b.

Adams and Wong for Tulowitzki? !@#$ing done. The Rox don't have a 2b to speak of and Helton's on the way out. I'd probably include an arm as well if they needed it.

Pick up Tulo and suddenly you have the 3-hole hitter that we need and possibly the premier defensive SS in MLB. Absolute worst case scenario is that he moves to 3b in 3 years to replace Freese when he departs.
Why in the hell would the Rockies take that deal unless they are in full salary dump mode? That is outright theft.

Plus, much like Reyes, he can't stay on the field.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:05 PM   #2028
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Strauss, who IMO is a buffoon, talked a little about Tulowitzki in his most recent column. Is there actually talk of that in STL? I marked it up to BS.
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They've talked about that for two years. Plus, Tulo is, again, on the shelf until August with a broken rib.
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  • Mitchell Boggs started the game and promptly got lit up for 4 runs in the first inning. He'd allow 2 more in the second though of the 6 total runs, only 3 were earned. Boggs allowed 5 hits and walked 2 while striking out 2.
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Why in the hell would the Rockies take that deal unless they are in full salary dump mode? That is outright theft.

Plus, much like Reyes, he can't stay on the field.
No shit. We are not getting Tulowitski or Reyes without giving up Wong/Adams and one of Martinez/Rosenthal/Miller etc.
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Martinez would be the only one they would include at this point. Miller and Rosenthal, being what they are with the big club, are untouchable.
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Obviously, if Troy Tulowitzki was as durable as Edgar Renteria you make that deal, but he's about as dependable as Chris ****ing Chandler.
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Why in the hell would the Rockies take that deal unless they are in full salary dump mode? That is outright theft.

Plus, much like Reyes, he can't stay on the field.
Because Tulo is not without risk, first off.

Second off, because Matt Adams would be a 30-40 HR 1b in Coors. He'd be a freakin' monster out there, IMO.

The worst years of Tulo's deal are coming soon so they may want to be rid of it. They may also see a chance go get a legitimate mauler at 1b to replace Helton and a 2-3 WAR 2b thrown in to boot.

And like I said, if they came back and requested an arm, I'd still consider it. Not if they're asking for Miller, Lynn, Rosenthal or Martinez, but if they come looking for Wacha with the other 2? Yeah, I probably pull the trigger.
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That's probably a decision where the odds are 5:3 in your favor, but staking your "tournament life", although mathematically correct, is a huge, huge risk.
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Because Tulo is not without risk, first off.

Second off, because Matt Adams would be a 30-40 HR 1b in Coors. He'd be a freakin' monster out there, IMO.

The worst years of Tulo's deal are coming soon so they may want to be rid of it. They may also see a chance go get a legitimate mauler at 1b to replace Helton and a 2-3 WAR 2b thrown in to boot.

And like I said, if they came back and requested an arm, I'd still consider it. Not if they're asking for Miller, Lynn, Rosenthal or Martinez, but if they come looking for Wacha with the other 2? Yeah, I probably pull the trigger.
Why would you want to weigh down our payroll with another $20+ million contract? And trade our young studs to make that happen?

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I know Kozma isn't great, but he has been a 1 WAR player to this point so far. You can't fill your team with All-Stars.

Might the best move be to stand pat?
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I know Kozma isn't great, but he has been a 1 WAR player to this point so far. You can't fill your team with All-Stars.

Might the best move be to stand pat?
He certaintly fell off the cliff last year. Could happen again. Yes, he has been serviceable so far this year. But does anyone think he's the long term solution? I'm okay with Jackson getting a shot when Kozma falls off the cliff.

Best time to make deals is the off season. But, if Kozma can keep his current level of play up, we need help in the bullpen more than an upgrade at SS.

We lead MLB in runs scored etc. we can take the hit.
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Rosenthal isn't getting stretched out this year.

I just don't see the need to add too much to a bullpen that can throw Rosenthal, Mujica, Siegrist, and by playoff time either Lyons or Martinez. Scroate is an acceptable L00GY, far better than Arthur Rhodes, but this pen is better simply by jettisoning Boggs, Salas, and Scrabble.
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Rosenthal isn't getting stretched out this year.

I just don't see the need to add too much to a bullpen that can throw Rosenthal, Mujica, Siegrist, and by playoff time either Lyons or Martinez. Scroate is an acceptable L00GY, far better than Arthur Rhodes, but this pen is better simply by jettisoning Boggs, Salas, and Scrabble.
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