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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why weíre not more emotional,Ē Matheny said in his office after Sundayís game. ďThey say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. Thatís what got us here. This isnít the time to change it.Ē

Itís hard to argue with the managerís assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinalsí veterans still havenít forgotten. They still arenít over it. Itís why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliakís urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
ó Bernie

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Old 06-16-2013, 02:30 PM   #2056
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Old 06-16-2013, 02:33 PM   #2057
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Pretty piss poor effort this weekend in Florida all the way around.
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Pretty piss poor effort this weekend in Florida all the way around.
Wasn't very good in NY either. Every team has these lulls, lets hope that home cooking is the cure.
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Mets, Marlins, now the Cubs. You don't beat shitty teams just by showing up and announcing that you've got the best record.

Better get some better effort against the Cubs. Especially Thursday, because I'll lose a really obnoxious bet if they lose that game.
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I just don't see any reason to keep giving Westbook and Lyons starts ahead of Martinez.

I understand about Wacha. He needs to get that curve ball up to the major league level and work on location.

Martinez's upside demands he be given a shot to succeed at the ML level. Now, not later.
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Heard some talk that they are waiting til after the break to think of Martinez coming up, if he even does this eyar.
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I just don't see any reason to keep giving Westbook and Lyons starts ahead of Martinez.

I understand about Wacha. He needs to get that curve ball up to the major league level and work on location.

Martinez's upside demands he be given a shot to succeed at the ML level. Now, not later.
Martinez' breaking pitches are lethal, but he doesn't spot them with precision yet. Bringing him up while having him do that is a risky proposition.
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Martinez' breaking pitches are lethal, but he doesn't spot them with precision yet. Bringing him up while having him do that is a risky proposition.
Gotta learn sometime right?


I don't know how much longer you can stay with Lyons if he can't get back to being crafty.
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And I'm not really worried about Westbrook, yet. He is what he is, an innings eater who gets ground balls.

He was a bit rusty Friday, so we'll have to wait and see.
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I don't know how much longer you can stay with Lyons if he can't get back to being crafty.
Gast, when/if healthy, is another possibility.

I'm not absolutely against calling Martinez up. I just think that people should temper their expectations. They didn't with Wacha.
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I'm probably more for Lyons/Gast in that they are lefties and I'd like to keep atleast 1 up there.

But from what I've heard, some actually think Martinez has as high or higher upside than Wacha and potentially Miller.

I think Wacha has a highish upside, but he doesn't quite have the stuff to be Miller or Martinez and will need to be more Wainwright.
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Martinez' breaking pitches are lethal, but he doesn't spot them with precision yet. Bringing him up while having him do that is a risky proposition.
Okay maybe Westbrook was a just rusty. Maybe Lyons had a bad day? Maybe the "book" on him is becoming more solidified?

Those were two pretty bad starts. If that happens again with Lyons, give Martinez a chance.
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Okay maybe Westbrook was a just rusty. Maybe Lyons had a bad day? Maybe the "book" on him is becoming more solidified?

Those were two pretty bad starts. If that happens again with Lyons, give Martinez a chance.
I don't think Lyons is a great option, but I am all for keeping Martinez and Wacha down for awhile throwing 4 and 5 inning starts where it doesn't matter and then calling them up when you really need them down the stretch. You think the Nats would have liked to have had a fresh Strasburg last year at the end instead of worrying about abusing a young arm?

Neither Martinez or Wacha have ever piled up significant innings in a year that would compare to starting every 5th day here. If Waino, Miller, Lynn and Westbrook just pitch to their averages we will be fine with a so-so 5th starter in the short term. If that doesn't happen we can always bring one of them up. We don't need to panic yet. We have all seen the importance to hitting your stride with fresh arms can do at the end of the year (Worrell, Wainright, Rosenthal, etc.).
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I don't think Lyons is a great option, but I am all for keeping Martinez and Wacha down for awhile throwing 4 and 5 inning starts where it doesn't matter and then calling them up when you really need them down the stretch. You think the Nats would have liked to have had a fresh Strasburg last year at the end instead of worrying about abusing a young arm?

Neither Martinez or Wacha have ever piled up significant innings in a year that would compare to starting every 5th day here. If Waino, Miller, Lynn and Westbrook just pitch to their averages we will be fine with a so-so 5th starter in the short term. If that doesn't happen we can always bring one of them up. We don't need to panic yet. We have all seen the importance to hitting your stride with fresh arms can do at the end of the year (Worrell, Wainright, Rosenthal, etc.).
Are they not starting and throwing pitches every 5 days in Memphis? Where is the saving their arms occurring?
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