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Old 01-25-2013, 05:27 PM  
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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:04 AM   #2071
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Are they not starting and throwing pitches every 5 days in Memphis? Where is the saving their arms occurring?
Of course they are, but Martinez has 17 innings in 4 starts. You can't afford to do that regularly in the majors. Granted they will eventually stretch that out a bit, but nothing like what would be needed with the big club. The point is we don't have to use them now.
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Old 06-17-2013, 01:34 PM   #2072
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And I'm not really worried about Westbrook, yet. He is what he is, an innings eater who gets ground balls.

He was a bit rusty Friday, so we'll have to wait and see.
Westbrook was better than the results, Marp had a bad error & Kozma was out of position all game; Lyons, OTOH, came unglued after he hit a batter & then walked the pitcher. He should be back to Memphis immediately.
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MLB trade rumors: Are the St. Louis Cardinals interested in Jonathan Papelbon?
Corey Rudd | June 17, 2013 | 0 Comments
The St. Louis Cardinals took a big blow prior to the start of the season by losing closer Jason Motte for the year. Edward Mujica, who is a perfect 19-for-19 in save opportunities, has been stellar in Motte’s absence. But are the Cardinals interested in another acquiring a high-profile closer via trade?

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the answer is maybe.

Cafardo reported on Monday that the Phillies believe there are three teams interested in acquiring the 32-year old’s services and the Cardinals are one of those teams.

Papelbon has a 1.46 ERA and 13 saves in 24 appearances for the Phililes. His 0.69 WHIP is outstanding and the former Boston Red Sox pitcher has struck out 23 hitters while walking just three.

Commentary: If the Cardinals were able to pull off a trade to acquire Papelbon without giving up any top prospects (see Michael Wacha, Carlos Martinez, Kolten Wong, Oscar Taveras) than it would make a ton of sense to bring Papelbon in. Of course, it would take one or two of these prospects to get such a deal done.

But if the Cardinals did make an aggressive move like this, it would create a domino effect in the Cardinals bullpen.

Papelbon could take over the ninth and Mujica could move back to the seventh inning while Rosenthal could stay in the eighth, leaving the Cardinals with a very powerful back-end of the bullpen.

An addition of Papelbon would likely also allow the Cardinals to rest Rosenthal more often, who at 22-years of age is accumulating quite a workload.

This is just a rumor at this point and who knows how much merit it actually has, but the thought of Papelbon closing games for the Cardinals is enticing.

Of course, he would come at a steep price in prospects and his four-year, $50 million contract he signed prior to 2012 will be a factor as well.

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Old 06-17-2013, 05:59 PM   #2075
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MLB trade rumors: Are the St. Louis Cardinals interested in Jonathan Papelbon?
Corey Rudd | June 17, 2013 | 0 Comments
The St. Louis Cardinals took a big blow prior to the start of the season by losing closer Jason Motte for the year. Edward Mujica, who is a perfect 19-for-19 in save opportunities, has been stellar in Motte’s absence. But are the Cardinals interested in another acquiring a high-profile closer via trade?

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the answer is maybe.

Cafardo reported on Monday that the Phillies believe there are three teams interested in acquiring the 32-year old’s services and the Cardinals are one of those teams.

Papelbon has a 1.46 ERA and 13 saves in 24 appearances for the Phililes. His 0.69 WHIP is outstanding and the former Boston Red Sox pitcher has struck out 23 hitters while walking just three.

Commentary: If the Cardinals were able to pull off a trade to acquire Papelbon without giving up any top prospects (see Michael Wacha, Carlos Martinez, Kolten Wong, Oscar Taveras) than it would make a ton of sense to bring Papelbon in. Of course, it would take one or two of these prospects to get such a deal done.

But if the Cardinals did make an aggressive move like this, it would create a domino effect in the Cardinals bullpen.

Papelbon could take over the ninth and Mujica could move back to the seventh inning while Rosenthal could stay in the eighth, leaving the Cardinals with a very powerful back-end of the bullpen.

An addition of Papelbon would likely also allow the Cardinals to rest Rosenthal more often, who at 22-years of age is accumulating quite a workload.

This is just a rumor at this point and who knows how much merit it actually has, but the thought of Papelbon closing games for the Cardinals is enticing.

Of course, he would come at a steep price in prospects and his four-year, $50 million contract he signed prior to 2012 will be a factor as well.

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Don't see any reason the Cardinals would give up anything of value for Papelbon, and the Tigers will have strong incentive to give up quite a bit for him.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nick Castellanos headed to Philly for Papelbon. I know they've moved him to the OF, but I have heard rough things about his defense out there. (Allen Craig-esque). Not like Detroit gives a shit about defensive ability, but...

Anyway, back to the point... if Paps is available, I don't see any way the Tigers aren't willing to outbid the Cards for him.
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:13 PM   #2076
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Don't see any reason the Cardinals would give up anything of value for Papelbon, and the Tigers will have strong incentive to give up quite a bit for him.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nick Castellanos headed to Philly for Papelbon. I know they've moved him to the OF, but I have heard rough things about his defense out there. (Allen Craig-esque). Not like Detroit gives a shit about defensive ability, but...

Anyway, back to the point... if Paps is available, I don't see any way the Tigers aren't willing to outbid the Cards for him.
According to Derrick Goold in his blog today, they'd have no interest in Papelbon, but did mention that Cliff Lee's no-trade clause doesn't apply to St. Louis, and that Lee was recently quoted saying something to the effect that he just wants to win.
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DFA Salas.
I second that....
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I wouldn't be horribly upset if Cliff Lee were an option, but his contract is pretty monstrous and you'd probably have to kiss a few big prospects goodbye.

If it were Wong, Jenkins, and Wacha, I'd probably do it though.
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Sixty million for 2.5 years of Cliff Lee plus a 12.5 million buyout? If he hits innings levels then you are forced to pay him $27.5 million in 2016, plus the cost in prospects. No thanks.
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I wouldn't be horribly upset if Cliff Lee were an option, but his contract is pretty monstrous and you'd probably have to kiss a few big prospects goodbye.

If it were Wong, Jenkins, and Wacha, I'd probably do it though.
I would be okay with that trade. Not giving up Miller, Rosenthal, Martinez instead of Wacha,

However, We have plenty of SP candidates for 2014. We need bullpen help.
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Sixty million for 2.5 years of Cliff Lee plus a 12.5 million buyout? If he hits innings levels then you are forced to pay him $27.5 million in 2016, plus the cost in prospects. No thanks.
Holy shit I had no idea the contract was that bad. Count me out too. Why in the hell did we not pay Pujols to pay Lee when starting pitching shouldn't be an issue in 2014?
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Like DJ brought up, with the new TV deal next year, we're gonna have more money.

I wouldn't go throwing it away, and I'm not a big fan of spending that much on a guy who plays every 5 days, but if they were to go after a big SS or CF, I'd be ok with paying above market price.
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