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Old 06-16-2013, 09:37 PM  
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While you are looking at phone records and emails....

It's over 800 pages, no one has read it, it's expensive, and it's full of dirty tricks to increase democrat voters. Deja vu all over again. The video is 20 minutes but well worth it.

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Old 06-17-2013, 10:27 PM   #76
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Nothing wrong with her. Never gave her a chance due to time constraints. LS is just an uninformed idiot. He thinks I watch her. Like why would I deny watching a show?

I watch Fox news in a genuine attempt to hear a different slant/take/opinion other than the mainstream media. I usually watch Oreilly, Hannity or the regular Fox News. I probably watch the sunday Chris wallace show 2-3 times a month. I get that fix from those programs. Been doing it for years now.
Bull shit! I have caught you posting direct quotes not more than 5 minutes after I heard her say it. Not once but twice.
Maybe Greta reads your DC post before she goes on. In that case,MY BAD
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:31 PM   #77
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Well, the majority of Americans want the border secured, first and foremost, with any immigration reform. The current bill does not do that.
You mean the Mexican border. No one is talking about securing the Canadian border.

But, yes, most polls say we should secure the border. As they should.

Illegals coming over the Mexican border is virtually zero right now. But, that is a temp issue. We do need to secure the border. I'm surprised terrorists are not using it as a superhighway into the USA. We need to secure for that reason alone.

Most polls also show that a pathway to citizenship must happen.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:34 PM   #78
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Bull shit! I have caught you posting direct quotes not more than 5 minutes after I heard her say it. Not once but twice.
Maybe Greta reads your DC post before she goes on. In that case,MY BAD
Prove it then asswipe.

You are a useless piece of shit with so many bad opinions that you make shitsprayer seem informed.

My posts are public record. oh yeah I challenged you last time and you had nothing. I don't know why you continue to spout this BS. Either put up or shut the **** up.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:44 PM   #79
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You mean the Mexican border. No one is talking about securing the Canadian border.
Usually that's what is meant by that since that's where the problem exists.

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But, yes, most polls say we should secure the border. As they should.
First, that's the point.

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Illegals coming over the Mexican border is virtually zero right now. But, that is a temp issue. We do need to secure the border. I'm surprised terrorists are not using it as a superhighway into the USA. We need to secure for that reason alone.

No it's not virtually zero. I just saw it covered on TV recently. Many have not come due to the downturn in the economy.

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Link?

I think you're missing the point when you mention it like this. Border security first then reform.

I also think you want more democratic voters. Don't you realize that allowing them free ER access is what drove up health care costs that got reflected in rising premiums? That was done, at least by some, to create that bad effect in order to move socialized medicine in here.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:47 PM   #80
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Prove it then asswipe.

You are a useless piece of shit with so many bad opinions that you make shitsprayer seem informed.

My posts are public record. oh yeah I challenged you last time and you had nothing. I don't know why you continue to spout this BS. Either put up or shut the **** up.
I dnt even remember what the quotes you stole from Greta were anymore.,30 shows ago fool. you go search for the pissing match we had over it.vagina.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:55 PM   #81
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I dnt even remember what the quotes you stole from Greta were anymore.,30 shows ago fool. you go search for the pissing match we had over it.vagina.
How do I find something that doesn't exist? God, you are an idiot. I hope you at least have a serious drug habit to explain your intellect.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:58 PM   #82
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I think you're missing the point when you mention it like this. Border security first then reform.
I'm okay with this approach.
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I also think you want more democratic voters. Don't you realize that allowing them free ER access is what drove up health care costs that got reflected in rising premiums? That was done, at least by some, to create that bad effect in order to move socialized medicine in here.
So whats your solution, turn them away from the ER?
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:59 PM   #83
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How do I find something that doesn't exist? God, you are an idiot. I hope you at least have a serious drug habit to explain your intellect.
If you say so
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:02 PM   #84
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I'm okay with this approach.
So whats your solution, turn them away from the ER?
Border security. Other than that, let a Catholic hospital tend to them with their own charity.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:06 PM   #85
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Well, geezaz, BRC, healthcare is subsidized in Mexico...turn them around and tell them they can go back and get it cheap in their own country.
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Old 06-18-2013, 12:04 AM   #86
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If you are Republican how could you not be for immigration reform, if only for partisan politics reasons.

Surely your not all stupid. You see the demographic numbers. Whites are a minority in 2045. In 2025 there will be more non-white children under 5 than white kids. If you don't expand the party you will just be a regional party and soon after the 21st century Whig's.

How about doing it for the selfish reasons? We can't deport 11 million people. Thats just not realistic. And even it was, what if they resist? Talk about a cluster****. The American people will not stand for it after they start seeing the scenes on TV.

How about doing it for the economy? We need the majority of those 11 million people to do the jobs we won't do. If they were smart they would strike until immigration reform is passed. When there are sparse vegetables and fruit in the grocery store and construction is at a standstill we would see how valuable they are to the economy. We get 11 million new tax payers that will pay fines and taxes for years before they get any benefits.


Illegal immigration from Mexico is basically zero right now. Now is the time to do reform. If the republicans don't get on board........ well the Whigs were big back in the day too.

what is wrong wit you?????


you act like you are talking to people who understand real life?

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Old 06-18-2013, 12:55 AM   #87
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It's hard to take seriously anyone, who's first bullet is the "nobody reads the bill" argument. Of course nobody reads the bills. They are full of legalese and redundancies. The legalese isn't really the important part. The important stuff can all be read about these bills on wikipedia, and we all know it. That's what politicians argue over (the big points) and that's what they vote on.

So when I see a talking head come out of the gate with "Well I've read the whole thing, and nobody else has," I can immediately assume that what's about to follow is bunch of 'sky is falling' bullshit.
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You mean the Mexican border. No one is talking about securing the Canadian border.

But, yes, most polls say we should secure the border. As they should.

Illegals coming over the Mexican border is virtually zero right now. But, that is a temp issue. We do need to secure the border. I'm surprised terrorists are not using it as a superhighway into the USA. We need to secure for that reason alone.

Most polls also show that a pathway to citizenship must happen.
There is a pathway to citizenship for these people right now. If you asked Americans if they favored a special pathway to citizenship for the people who broke our immigration laws, I highly doubt you would find that a majority support it. I will admit that Ted Cruz's position, that these people should be banned from ever obtaining citizenship, is in the minority, as well as deportation.

I also fully support fixing the immigration system to allow people here on work visas to stay while they are seeking citizenship, rather than returning home. That would apply to all immigrants though.

To be honest, I think Rand Paul's ideas on immigration reform are more in-line with the majority of Americans than anyone else's, however I prefer Ted Cruz. The major substantive difference is that I believe there should be a penalty for the people who came here illegally. I would be happy with Rand's ideas. I cannot support the gang of 8's joke of a bill.



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And really it's not even fair to call opposition to same sex marriage far right since (a) it was the majority position in the country until recently, (b) it's still just barely a minority, and (c) it's the same position our far left POTUS held until just before the last election.
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