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Old 06-19-2013, 09:32 PM  
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St Louis Was Cool

Wife and I took a trip to STL on Saturday and returned today. Man, I really like that place. Our hotel was a block from Bush Stadium, and the metro link. We took the train fromKC in business class....holy shit if I can ever travel somewhere by train within reason I'm doing it, thousand times Better than flying.

Only rented a car one day to go to Six Flags. It was ok I suppose.i still want to get to Cedar Point.

Went to a game last night, and man...I thought the stadium kicked ass. Though, probably due to the market, everything was obscenely expensive. Though, I suppose if you're a winning team who draws 45k on a Tuesday night I guess you can charge whatever. 12oz draw of beer was $9.**** that. Didn't buy any. Hot dog and chips was 12 I believe.

But the stadium was great. I really wonder if KC made the right call to not build a park downtown.

We'll be going back maybe on a weekend to see a game on a Saturday and come back Sunday. Great time. Fun city. Didn't need a car whatsoever. Simple transit. Easy to understand. Everything we needed within walking distance.

Go Royals. Lol
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:01 PM   #31
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St. Louis grows on you. I still can't handle alot of the people, but it has some cool parts. If I can park my car and feel safe, then I enjoy St. Louis alot.
There's just one bad part in the city that I wouldn't go to, which is the immediate area surrounding the CWE.

The city itself is alright, but most of the awesome shit is in the 'burbs.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:05 PM   #32
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I was stunned when I flew into STL recently and they still had dozens of windows that were broken by that tornado a while back still covered with plywood. Not really a good impression on people visiting the city.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:20 PM   #33
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There's just one bad part in the city that I wouldn't go to, which is the immediate area surrounding the CWE.

The city itself is alright, but most of the awesome shit is in the 'burbs.
Heh. Yeah. I posted about the guy getting randomly punched by some young punks in the outdoor seating at Brasserie there last time I was in the city. Freaked us out. We were all just sitting outside eating, and some kid comes sprinting through the outdoor seating area, clocked a diner, then kept running.

I still like the city, though.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:23 PM   #34
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I was stunned when I flew into STL recently and they still had dozens of windows that were broken by that tornado a while back still covered with plywood. Not really a good impression on people visiting the city.
Tornado aside, people that simply arrive at the airport, drive downtown via I70 and back to the airport only see the absolute worst the area has to offer.

With few exceptions, the area inside the red line (northeast) is an absolute shithole, and unfortunately, the only area a lot of people see - because you have to drive through it to get from the airport to downtown.

KC would be in the same boat if you had to drive 10+ miles through Troost or The Paseo to get to downtown.

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Old 06-20-2013, 06:07 PM   #35
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Tornado aside, people that simply arrive at the airport, drive downtown via I70 and back to the airport only see the absolute worst the area has to offer.

With few exceptions, the area inside the red line (northeast) is an absolute shithole, and unfortunately, the only area a lot of people see - because you have to drive through it to get from the airport to downtown.

KC would be in the same boat if you had to drive 10+ miles through Troost or The Paseo to get to downtown.

Troost and the Paseo are some of the best kc has to offer
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:09 PM   #36
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Tornado aside, people that simply arrive at the airport, drive downtown via I70 and back to the airport only see the absolute worst the area has to offer.

With few exceptions, the area inside the red line (northeast) is an absolute shithole, and unfortunately, the only area a lot of people see - because you have to drive through it to get from the airport to downtown.

KC would be in the same boat if you had to drive 10+ miles through Troost or The Paseo to get to downtown.

We have a new vendor that's based out of St. Louis. I'm trying to talk them and my boss into paying for us to fly out there and see their processes.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:20 PM   #37
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There are some fantastic homes on The Paseo. It's the best way to roll into downtown, imo.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:33 PM   #38
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I've spent many, many weeks in STL and frankly, the place sucks. It's the only place I've ever been when you sweat in the shade in March. And it stinks. Sure they have a lot of stuff, but who paid for it? If you're a Mo. person, you did. And those same folks fought tooth and nail to deny KC stadium upgrades even though we here locally were paying for it. I never lost anything there and if I did, I wouldn't go back for it.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:33 PM   #39
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There are some fantastic homes on The Paseo. It's the best way to roll into downtown, imo.
I'm either being trolled, or things have changed dramatically in the last decade.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:45 PM   #40
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:00 PM   #41
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:03 PM   #42
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It's been so long since I've been there I can barely remember. Tried to go to a game there about ten years ago, but it got rained out.
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I'm either being trolled, or things have changed dramatically in the last decade.
There are still some real shitty blocks. Sure.

But there is a lot of new development. I roll through about every time I'm around just to see how its changed since I was a kid.


Then you can go roll the q and see its just as shitty all the way
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:25 PM   #44
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I always wondered what the part of st louis was called coming from kc on 70 on the right hand side as you enter the city. It looks like a ****ing dump.
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Kansas Citians often lament the high crime rate, disappointing school systems and other problems facing the city.

But it could be worse.

We could live in St. Louis.

On Tuesday, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay deservedly won the city’s Democratic primary and is virtually certain to win a record fourth term in April.

Slay’s reward: He will continue presiding over one of America’s fastest fading cities, a community wracked by a steady, alarming loss of residents.

Sure, St. Louis still has the iconic Gateway Arch, some strong neighborhoods, a new baseball park, light rail, and many other positive points.

But check out these facts.

In 1950, St. Louis was the eighth largest U.S. city, with 857,000 people. But by 2010, St. Louis had lost a stunning 538,000 people and plummeted to the 58th largest city, with only 319,000 residents.

In 1980, St. Louis was still Missouri’s largest city, barely ahead of Kansas City. But by 2010, Kansas City’s population of 460,000 was 44 percent larger than St. Louis’.

The city of St. Louis has slumped today to the point where it makes up only 11 percent of its metropolitan area’s population of 2.8 million. That’s one of the lowest percentages for any large U.S. city in its region, further evidence that the influence of St. Louis continues to slide.

Finally, the ills of St. Louis helped slash population growth in its metropolitan area to only 4 percent between 2000 and 2010. Only a few other deeply troubled regions — such as Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh — were worse off in that period.

Slay and other city boosters are well aware of all these negative trends. They valiantly will continue working to find ways to attract people, companies and capital to St. Louis, hoping to finally halt the population drain.

Feel better, Kansas Citians?

Mayor Sly James made this comment in his 2013 budget message last month: “…We are setting the pace with innovative and dynamic solutions to challenges cities across the nation share.… Friends, we are on the move, and our peers are noticing. We are pulling our chair up to the table with the nation’s great cities.”

Get past the expected hyperbole from an elected official, and Kansas City boosters do, indeed, have more things to feel encouraged about than they did a few years ago.

The city’s emphasis on growing its entrepreneurial ranks could pay off big time with new jobs for young people.

The increased funding of the arts — coupled with fantastic new venues — are boosting our attraction as a Midwestern cultural hub.

Plus, City Hall is better off, partly thanks to money from a voter-approved tax increase to finance more road repairs and park maintenance.

Kansas City is superior to St. Louis in a number of important markers — even after taking into account the fact that Kansas City has far more square miles.

Between 1990 and 2010, Kansas City added almost 25,000 residents, while St. Louis shed 77,000. Projections by the Mid-America Regional Council indicate Kansas City’s positive trend will continue north of the Missouri River.

While Kansas City has lost at least 120,000 people from its urban core since 1950, that’s far better than St. Louis’ loss of 538,000.

The city of Kansas City makes up 23 percent of this metropolitan area’s population of 2 million people. That rate is middle of the pack — still lots of room for improvement — when compared with peers around the country.

Kansas City is in a healthier metropolitan area. The region’s population grew at a respectable 11 percent rate between 2000 and 2010, again in the middle range for larger metro areas. This region added 199,000 residents in that time; the St. Louis area gained only 114,000.

As aging Midwestern big cities, Kansas City and St. Louis face many of the same vexing troubles.

But right now, for a variety of reasons, Kansas City’s future looks a lot brighter than St. Louis’ does.


It isn't about who is better or worse. And this looks even more ridiculous considering the county and the city just came to an agreement with a merger in economic aspects.
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