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Old 06-21-2013, 01:48 PM  
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Whistleblower Says Spy Agency Targeting Top American Leaders June 20, 2013

NSA whistleblower Russel Tice told Peter B. Collins on Boiling Frog Post News (the website of high-level FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds):

Tice: Okay. They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people. They went after antiwar groups. They went after U.S. international–U.S. companies that that do international business, you know, business around the world. They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs that–like the Red Cross, people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few antiwar civil rights groups. So, you know, don’t tell me that there’s no abuse, because I’ve had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know, when I said to [former MSNBC show host Keith] Olbermann, I said, my particular thing is high tech and you know, what’s going on is the other thing, which is the dragnet. The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about, the terrestrial dragnet. Well my specialty is outer space. I deal with satellites, and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that’s how I found out about this.

Collins: Now Russ, the targeting of the people that you just mentioned, top military leaders, members of Congress, intelligence community leaders and the–oh, I’m sorry, it was intelligence committees, let me correct that–not intelligence community, and then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis, and the potential for massive blackmail.

Tice: Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before, that I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on. Now here’s the big one. I haven’t given you any names. This was is summer of 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with, with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator from Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It’s a big white house in Washington, DC. That’s who they went after. And that’s the president of the United States now.

Other whistleblowers say the same thing. When the former head of the NSA’s digital spying program – William Binney – disclosed the fact that the U.S. was spying on everyone in the U.S. and storing the data forever, and that the U.S. was quickly becoming a totalitarian state, the Feds tried to scare him into shutting up:

[Numerous] FBI officers held a gun to Binney’s head as he stepped naked from the shower. He watched with his wife and youngest son as the FBI ransacked their home. Later Binney was separated from the rest of his family, and FBI officials pressured him to implicate one of the other complainants in criminal activity. During the raid, Binney attempted to report to FBI officials the crimes he had witnessed at NSA, in particular the NSA’s violation of the constitutional rights of all Americans. However, the FBI wasn’t interested in these disclosures. Instead, FBI officials seized Binney’s private computer, which to this day has not been returned despite the fact that he has not been charged with a crime.

Other NSA whistleblowers have also been subjected to armed raids and criminal prosecution.

After high-level CIA officer John Kiriakou blew the whistle on illegal CIA torture, the government prosecuted him for espionage.

Even the head of the CIA was targeted with extra-constitutional spying and driven out of office. Indeed, Binney makes it very clear that the government will use information gained from its all-pervasive spying program to frame anyone it doesn’t like.

(More example here.)

Retired high-level CIA analyst Ray McGovern – the top CIA briefer to numerous presidents – said this a few weeks ago on a radio program:

Which leads to the question, why would [Obama] do all these things? Why would he be afraid for example, to take the drones away from the CIA? Well, I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s afraid. Number one, he’s afraid of what happened to Martin Luther King Jr. And I know from a good friend who was there when it happened, that at a small dinner with progressive supporters – after these progressive supporters were banging on Obama before the election, “Why don’t you do the things we thought you stood for?” Obama turned sharply and said, “Don’t you remember what happened to Martin Luther King Jr.?” That’s a quote, and that’s a very revealing quote.

McGovern also said:

In a speech on March 21, second-term Obama gave us a big clue regarding his concept of leadership – one that is marked primarily by political risk-avoidance and a penchant for “leading from behind”: “Speaking as a politician, I can promise you this: political leaders will not take risks if the people do not demand that they do. You must create the change that you want to see.”

John Kennedy was willing to take huge risks in reaching out to the USSR and ending the war in Vietnam. That willingness to take risks may have gotten him assassinated, as James Douglass argues in his masterful JFK and the Unspeakable.

Martin Luther King, Jr., also took great risks and met the same end. There is more than just surmise that this weighs heavily on Barack Obama’s mind. Last year, pressed by progressive donors at a dinner party to act more like the progressive they thought he was, Obama responded sharply, “Don’t you remember what happened to Dr. King?”

We’re agnostic about McGovern’s theory. We don’t know whether Obama is a total corrupt sell-out … or a chicken.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Whist...0/0/0/Y/M.html

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Old 06-21-2013, 04:17 PM   #16
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You'll have to prove instead of just asserting it as fact. I've read Ray McGovern before. And there are several more whistleblowers even before Snowden—who claims a lot more is going to be exposed.
And Ray McGovern will have to prove instead of asserting as fact.
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Old 06-21-2013, 04:26 PM   #17
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And Ray McGovern will have to prove instead of asserting as fact.
He backed it up for now with testimony. Testimony is part of evidence. And there's been some corrobation to date. Meanwhile you have nothing.
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Old 06-21-2013, 05:05 PM   #18
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He backed it up for now with testimony. Testimony is part of evidence. And there's been some corrobation to date. Meanwhile you have nothing.
Uh, The MLK story? A radio show is "testimony?"
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Ray McGovern makes his money by taking advantage of conspiracy theorists and other gullible sorts.
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:01 PM   #20
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Ray McGovern makes his money by taking advantage of conspiracy theorists and other gullible sorts.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:39 AM   #21
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Well you're a dumbshit, so that's not all that surprising.



Or how about a quote directly from Tice himself?
A quick google search revealed nothing, I don't have all day to jerk off and browse snopes and shit. If he were the only one saying these things you might have a point, but he isn't.
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Russel Tice was fired from the NSA when a psychiatric evaluation found him to be mentally unbalanced. So it's not like he doesn't have reason for revenge...

Sounds like BS...
Well, that's a former Soviet technique. Label the whistleblower mentally unbalanced, crazy or insane to destroy credibility. The same thing was done to Scott Ritter by saying he was some sort of sexual abuser. This is why the spying is being done as well. Get those medical records and then blackmail the whistleblowers. Statists are so alike.
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Uh, The MLK story? A radio show is "testimony?"
No what a person said who was there is "testimony."
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Ray McGovern makes his money by taking advantage of conspiracy theorists and other gullible sorts.
No he doesn't. He's a progressive but he did work for the CIA. He's also not much of an anti-interventionist either.
You don't think those guys don't see things that we never know about? You're the gullible one if that is so.

The gullible sorts are those who only believe the state because it's helping us and doing good. Like keeping us safe.
That's the trait of a progressive leftist. Is this what you are patteeu?

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If he were the only one saying these things you might have a point, but he isn't.
Ayup! More corroboration coming too.

You can't convince lovers of the state or the national security state. Such folks would probably back East German block snitches. It's on the back of such blindness that fascists rise to power. Because nobody stopped the guys standing on the wrong side of things.
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Ayup! More corroboration coming too.

You can't convince lovers of the state or the national security state. Such folks would probably back East German block snitches. It's on the back of such blindness that fascists rise to power. Because nobody stopped the guys standing on the wrong side of things.
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