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Old 06-18-2013, 11:32 AM  
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Homeland Security. More Power. And this time...Domestic Spying

The juggernaut of the DHS and its morphing into a larger and larger more dangerous and costly arm of the government may get power that no one, even libs, want them to have.

Is this an issue that could actually unite R and D?


http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/dh...powers-as-nsa/
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:58 AM   #31
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Bush didn't want to create DHS, he caved to political pressure created by Congressional democrats who saw an opportunity to expand the bureaucracy and grow the government workers union. The people opposed to DHS were the conservatives. I was pretty supportive of Bush when it came to his response to 9/11 to say the least, but I was against creating a new department.
The Democrats forced DHS on Bush?

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Old 06-22-2013, 07:32 AM   #32
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The Democrats forced DHS on Bush?
Yes. It's amazing to me how many people who were adults at the time don't know this history. It's the same with the prescription drug entitlement and with Obama's temporary extension (and in some cases permanent extension) of the Bush tax cuts. Sometimes the opposition wins the political battle and forces the POTUS to do something he doesn't want to do.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:16 AM   #33
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FBI Director admitted yesterday that drones are already being used in the United States to spy on people. Perhaps the big hoopla about the phones and emails was thrown out first so this little tidbit would have less impact when announced. I guess nobody cares
So how are drones different than helicopters or satellites? Am I missing something?
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:18 AM   #34
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Yes. It's amazing to me how many people who were adults at the time don't know this history. It's the same with the prescription drug entitlement and with Obama's temporary extension (and in some cases permanent extension) of the Bush tax cuts. Sometimes the opposition wins the political battle and forces the POTUS to do something he doesn't want to do.
Bullshit the R's and neo cons lost their minds demanding this be done. I don't mind assessing blame when blame is due but this is 180 degrees off.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:32 AM   #35
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Bullshit the R's and neo cons lost their minds demanding this be done. I don't mind assessing blame when blame is due but this is 180 degrees off.
Nope. How quickly we forget. See the CNN article I linked earlier in the thread. It tells the same story I do.
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