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Old 06-21-2013, 10:09 PM  
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Would football be better if huddling was eliminated by reducing the play clock to 20 seconds?

Am I crazy to think that NFL teams shouldn't need to huddle? No other sport does it. NBA players don't draw up a play after every change of possession. It's boring as shit. It slows the game down. It's a complete waste of time.

Two reasons that it could actually happen.

1. The league is so worried about concussions that they might want to see the players get smaller. 325 pound D-Lineman won't exist. This could reduce the force in the collissions and reduce concussions.

2. The league is dying to figure out how to get more global appeal. The rest of the world loves soccer because it's a continuous game. When they see football, they get bored. It's funny because Americans think soccer is too boring because there isn't as much action, and they think football is boring because there's too much inaction. If you combined the superior action of football with the superior lack of inaction in soccer, that sport would take over the world.



Am I nuts? Should we eliminate the huddle?
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:04 PM   #61
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You obviously don't understand.

It's not a performance incentive in the contract. It's doled out from the league as a part of the CBA:

Players have been paid nearly $700 million cumulatively since the inception of the Performance-Based Pay program, which was implemented as part of the NFL's 2002 Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFL Players Association.
You're right, I was unaware of that. How is it payed out?
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:10 PM   #62
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The gaps between the haves/have nots at QB would be completely insurmountable at that point.

Right now you can still compete and at least make the playoffs with an average QB. If everything was no huddle, you'd have 6-8 teams that would just fist-**** the rest of the league.

There'd be one way and one way to win only. It would become arcade football.

Nah, I'd probably end up watching fewer and fewer NFL games at that point and turn my attention to college football, where you can still win using several different styles.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:11 PM   #63
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You're right, I was unaware of that. How is it payed out?
Under the Performance-Based Pay system, a fund is created and used as a supplemental form of player compensation based on a comparison of playing time to salary. Players become eligible to receive a bonus distribution in any regular season in which they play at least one official down.

Performance-Based Pay is computed by using a "player index." To produce the index, a player's regular-season playtime (total plays on offense, defense and special teams) is divided by his adjusted regular-season compensation (full season salary, prorated portion of signing bonus, earned incentives). Each player's index is then compared to those of the other players on his team to determine the amount of his pay.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...mancebased-pay
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:15 PM   #64
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Under the Performance-Based Pay system, a fund is created and used as a supplemental form of player compensation based on a comparison of playing time to salary. Players become eligible to receive a bonus distribution in any regular season in which they play at least one official down.

Performance-Based Pay is computed by using a "player index." To produce the index, a player's regular-season playtime (total plays on offense, defense and special teams) is divided by his adjusted regular-season compensation (full season salary, prorated portion of signing bonus, earned incentives). Each player's index is then compared to those of the other players on his team to determine the amount of his pay.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...mancebased-pay
Sounds incredibly complicated...
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:18 PM   #65
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Sounds incredibly complicated...
Two guys show up to work with the same job. Guy A establishes himself as a better worker, works longer hours and is more productive in those hours than Guy B.

Subsequently, Guy A earns a bonus. Guy B doesn't.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:29 PM   #66
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:33 PM   #67
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:09 PM   #68
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Under the Performance-Based Pay system, a fund is created and used as a supplemental form of player compensation based on a comparison of playing time to salary. Players become eligible to receive a bonus distribution in any regular season in which they play at least one official down.

Performance-Based Pay is computed by using a "player index." To produce the index, a player's regular-season playtime (total plays on offense, defense and special teams) is divided by his adjusted regular-season compensation (full season salary, prorated portion of signing bonus, earned incentives). Each player's index is then compared to those of the other players on his team to determine the amount of his pay.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...mancebased-pay
Ok, well that's similar, except that it's rewarding being on the field, win or lose, instead of winning. The formula sounds reasonable except that I'd like to see each game's allocation of money go only to the winning team.
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Ok, well that's similar, except that it's rewarding being on the field, win or lose, instead of winning. The formula sounds reasonable except that I'd like to see each game's allocation of money go only to the winning team.
So if Jamaal Charles puts up 240 all purpose yards and his team loses because he has worthless ass Brady Quinn at QB he gets no money, but the CB who blew multiple assignments and missed tackles does because Quinn was so incompetent that he was unable to complete a forward pass.
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One XFL idea I liked was paying players to win games. I don't remember exactly how it worked, but I think there was a pot of money riding on each game and the winning team got to split it.
Fun XFL rule: A punt over 25 yards was a "live" ball, just like a kickoff.
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yeah lets change the NFL to the XFL

it worked so well
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So if Jamaal Charles puts up 240 all purpose yards and his team loses because he has worthless ass Brady Quinn at QB he gets no money, but the CB who blew multiple assignments and missed tackles does because Quinn was so incompetent that he was unable to complete a forward pass.
Yes. Team reward for winning.
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Yes. Team reward for winning.
Ridiculous.
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yeah lets change the NFL to the XFL

it worked so well
The NFL wouldn't have a well-established, extraordinarily-well-funded, already-stocked-with-the-best-players league to compete with like the XFL did.
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