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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 06-25-2013, 10:52 AM   #4306
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:54 AM   #4307
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:54 AM   #4308
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:56 AM   #4309
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I kinda thought he was based on earlier comments. Didn't this come up before?

At any rate, we have to treat him differently, regardless of what he posts.
I thought it was because you knew someone who knew someone who once knew me ?
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:57 AM   #4310
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Now why don't you make some more thinly veiled threats and get yourself banned like frankie? Come to think of it, he was quite the race-card player himself.
You would not. Please explain more how you're not racists.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:04 AM   #4311
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The fact that Zimmerman injuries form the beating he was taking exist and that's the reason he shot Martin. These are the only facts that are relevant..
I'd say the fact that is relevant is that self defense takes into account that you first took advantage of every opportunity to flee. He was told by police not to pursue. In my eyes, he was the one who provoked the attack, Martin was the one who used self defense, and Zimmerman happened to come out on top as a murderer.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:20 AM   #4312
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I'd say the fact that is relevant is that self defense takes into account that you first took advantage of every opportunity to flee.

No, that's not required under the Florida Stand Your Ground Law.

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He was told by police not to pursue.
So, it's not like that's illegal. They may have meant it for his own safety. And it depends on if he was pursuing the kill or to see where he was headed. Multiple scenarios come to mind. See next comment below.

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In my eyes, he was the one who provoked the attack, Martin was the one who used self defense, and Zimmerman happened to come out on top as a murderer.
Except Trayvon Martin double-backed. Zimmerman had headed back to his truck by then.
To my knowledge, Zimmerman went a very short distance doing so specifically to tell the 911 dispatcher where Trayvon had gone.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:21 AM   #4313
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I thought it was because you knew someone who knew someone who once knew me ?
Yes, it's because I knew someone hear who posted that in response to you, who I know.
Thanks for validating that idea.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:23 AM   #4314
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I'd say the fact that is relevant is that self defense takes into account that you first took advantage of every opportunity to flee. He was told by police not to pursue. In my eyes, he was the one who provoked the attack, Martin was the one who used self defense, and Zimmerman happened to come out on top as a murderer.
Thats the best explanation I've heard so far.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:24 AM   #4315
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Yes, it's because I knew someone hear who posted that in response to you, who I know.
Thanks for validating that idea.
That's racist.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:25 AM   #4316
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:27 AM   #4317
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Thats the best explanation I've heard so far.
It's inane. If someone breaks into your home, would you flee? If someone had a gun it's rational to shoot to kill. You may not have another chance.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:28 AM   #4318
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I'd say the fact that is relevant is that self defense takes into account that you first took advantage of every opportunity to flee. He was told by police not to pursue. In my eyes, he was the one who provoked the attack, Martin was the one who used self defense, and Zimmerman happened to come out on top as a murderer.
It's unclear if that actually happened. Even if he pursued him though...once we got into a situation of that kid pounding his head into the concrete, which the physical evidence corresponds with, then deadly force is justified.


Unless they can prove Zimmerman brandished the weapon, but that wouldn't make sense. Would you rush a person holding a gun on you? Probably not.
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:34 AM   #4319
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It's inane. If someone breaks into your home, would you flee? If someone had a gun it's rational to shoot to kill. You may not have another chance.
I would do what it takes to protect myself. This was a wanna be vigilante out looking for someone. The police told him to stand down and he continued to follow a CHILD. ZIMMERMANS actions lead to someone being murdered. The same people who support freedom and personal rights suddenly don't suppert the right to not be stopped and questioned for no reason by some vigilante?
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None of you would have been okay with an ARMED zimmerman stopping you for no reason either. I sseriously doubt anyone of you would allow some unknown person to stop you and question you for no reason.
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