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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 06-25-2013, 12:01 PM   #4336
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Again he had no right to stop the kid. It's insanity really. The same people who are about protecting individual rights and not having their rights trampled on are okay with zinmeeman racially profiling this kid and trampling all iver his personal freedoms. The same people who are upset with the irs peofolin conservative groups are okay with zimmerman profiling this kid...amazing.
Well that's were we disagree. He has every right to stop that kid. Asking someone to answer a questions is not trampling on "personal freedoms". In fact I think it's dubious at best to talk about ones personal freedoms when on someone else's private or public property.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:02 PM   #4337
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Yeah. But lets be clear, my kids until a certain age are not going to walking the street at night. Martin was 17 years old and perfectly capable of answering questions to strangers or officials carrying out their duty

You're a horrible parent if that's the case. Zimmerman had no duty. HE WAS NOT A COP OR A UNIFORMED SECURITY GUARD DOING HIS JOB. Random guy stops your 17 year old ( rregardless of the time of day) and ask them who they are where they live and you expect yhem to answer. .wow.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:04 PM   #4338
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So you're okay with your kids (regardless of age) telling random people they've never seen their address?


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So under your example my child is walking the street at night and lets say 10 years-old. That's means my child has been lost. Yeah...I would love for them to inform a neighborhood watchmen that they are lost and tell them where we live so they can bring them home. But that's not what happened here. We had a 17 year-old kid that obviously wasn't a clear thinker yet.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:05 PM   #4339
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Zimmermans negligence ended with a murdered child. Zimmerman at the least deserves life.
Haha. I know you're not serious. You'd have to be a racist to believe that.
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You're a horrible parent if that's the case. Zimmerman had no duty. HE WAS NOT A COP OR A UNIFORMED SECURITY GUARD DOING HIS JOB. Random guy stops your 17 year old ( rregardless of the time of day) and ask them who they are where they live and you expect yhem to answer. .wow.
He's not random guy in this context. He's the captain of the neighborhood watch in a multi-ethnic gated community.
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So under your example my child is walking the street at night and lets say 10 years-old. That's means my child has been lost. Yeah...I would love for them to inform a neighborhood watchmen that they are lost and tell them where we live so they can bring them home. But that's not what happened here. We had a 17 year-old kid that obviously wasn't a clear thinker yet.
Neighborhood watchmen? You do realize that Zimmerman was neither on duty that night, nor was he wearing any clothing that identified him as the neighborhood watchman?

And no, regardless if he was 10, 17, or 45, I would not instruct any person to give up his address to a stranger at night. I don't do it now, and I wouldn't have done it at 17. I'm sure you don't give your address to strangers either.
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He's not random guy in this context. He's the captain of the neighborhood watch in a multi-ethnic gated community.
That is not on duty.

That is not wearing any identifying clothing.

To Martin and literally ANYONE who is not familiar with him, he is a random guy.
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He's not random guy in this context. He's the captain of the neighborhood watch in a multi-ethnic gated community.
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So under your example my child is walking the street at night and lets say 10 years-old. That's means my child has been lost. Yeah...I would love for them to inform a neighborhood watchmen that they are lost and tell them where we live so they can bring them home. But that's not what happened here. We had a 17 year-old kid that obviously wasn't a clear thinker yet.
You're example does not fit the facts. Zimmerman had no clothing on identifying himself as nhw and he was not "on duty" that night. Yes or no..you're okay with a random guy approaching your kid regardless of the time of day claiming to be nhw but no identifiable clothing to confirm it, demanding to know your kids name and where they live? If you say yes I should report you to child services asap.
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That is not on duty.

That is not wearing any identifying clothing.

To Martin and literally ANYONE who is not familiar with him, he is a random guy.
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That is not on duty.

That is not wearing any identifying clothing.

To Martin and literally ANYONE who is not familiar with him, he is a random guy.
When watching a neighborhood or being a police officer, one is technically always on duty. Now their could be a question as to whether Zimmerman identified him self in such a way, but at that point Zimmerman had already contacted the police.
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I still don't understand how you guys can make definitive judgements about something that you didn't see.


The media needs to be shot in the head for how they have tried to manipulate this story, but you guys have taken their bait 110%.
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Whether he was on duty or not is irrelevant to the elements of the crime and the defense that he's putting up.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:23 PM   #4350
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You're example does not fit the facts. Zimmerman had no clothing on identifying himself as nhw and he was not "on duty" that night. Yes or no..you're okay with a random guy approaching your kid regardless of the time of day claiming to be nhw but no identifiable clothing to confirm it, demanding to know your kids name and where they live? If you say yes I should report you to child services asap.
It's obviously hypothetical tangent from what actually happened in Florida. I have answered this same question between the 2 of you 3 times now. Your different add-ons don't change how I tell my kids to act in public. You treat your elders with respect. Had Martin done that, there is a better than good chance he's alive today.

Either way that doesn't change the fact that Martin attacked the guy and bashing Zimmerman's head into the ground and got shot for it.
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