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Old 07-01-2013, 08:33 AM  
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WTF are we doing in Syria?

Seriously, can anyone tell me?

The secular govt there isn't great, but we're arming freaking Al Qaeda, and they are beheading people and killing whole villages of Christians.

Why?
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:18 PM   #16
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The secular govt there isn't great
"Isn't great?" Might have something to do with this graph:



With standards like those, you sound like a great person to do my annual performance review.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:56 AM   #17
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"Isn't great?" Might have something to do with this graph:



With standards like those, you sound like a great person to do my annual performance review.
Not that I care, but is that civilian deaths, military deaths, or both? Do they count priests getting beheaded or soldiers literally having their hearts cut out and eaten?

They all suck...
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:17 AM   #18
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So the Obama administration has decided to take sides in the Syria conflict. I don't blame them, and I actually applaud them for taking the right side this time against the dictator, rather than propping Assad up as we have other dictators in the region.

I don't like the strategy, though. I wish we approached Syria as we approached Libya, but that would make too much sense I suppose. Instead, we are going to funnel in an inadequate amount of arms to a band of rebels who are slowly starting to lose their footing now that Iran and Hezbollah have jumped in.

Except that's exactly why we did it. Fareed Zakaria suggested that the American strategy is to bleed Hezbollah and Iran of their resources and energy by making the Syrian opposition they're hoping to fight even more resilient. The goal, Zakaria says, isn't to promote Syrian democracy, but instead to drain Iran/Hezbollah of resources. I think this explanation best describes the administration's policy, but it is ****ing unethical shit. We are essentially writing off certain escalations in civilian deaths without helping to actually topple Assad in any meaningful way, to simply weaken Iran.
If their purpose is really to weaken Iran and Hezbollah, I think that's reasonable. I don't know what took them so long to decide what our interest is there though. Once again, Obama dithered and "led" the country to a less desirable position.

Personally, I'd rather see a no-fly zone to help the rebel forces than arm them since we don't know where those arms will end up or who they'll end up being used against.

In the end though, Obama's lack of leadership ability is likely to be a fatal flaw for any plan.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:29 AM   #19
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With standards like those, you sound like a great person to do my annual performance review.
Right. They are terrible. But the people the US is arming are the opposite of better.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:34 AM   #20
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The US has been choosing between the lesser of two evils since they became a major world player. Some turned out less worse than others all around the world.

Saddam Hussein comes to mind, as do any number of South American dictators and out old ally Joseph Stalin. Of course we weren't propping him up but still.

I think one of the reasons why the international community hasn't gotten more involve with Syria before is the fact that the opposition is pretty terrible too.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:35 AM   #21
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The US has been choosing between the lesser of two evils since they became a major world player. Some turned out less worse than others all around the world.

Saddam Hussein comes to mind, as do any number of South American dictators and out old ally Joseph Stalin. Of course we weren't propping him up but still.

I think one of the reasons why the international community hasn't gotten more involve with Syria before is the fact that the opposition is pretty terrible too.
The international community hasn't gotten more involved with Syria because the US has taken a 4+ year vacation from leadership.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:51 AM   #22
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:17 PM   #23
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If their purpose is really to weaken Iran and Hezbollah, I think that's reasonable. I don't know what took them so long to decide what our interest is there though. Once again, Obama dithered and "led" the country to a less desirable position.
The United States and the international community have been trying to help the Syrian opposition piece together a singular body that could help the transition from Assad to post-Assad. You don't want ethnic cleansing Iraq-style to take over. And piecing together the 1,000-some different groups takes some time -- and it's still not clear it's been done.

I don't think it's unreasonable per se to weaken Iran/Hezbollah, but you have to ask yourself at what cost is it worth it. Potentially thousands more Syrian deaths? I vote no.

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Personally, I'd rather see a no-fly zone to help the rebel forces than arm them since we don't know where those arms will end up or who they'll end up being used against.
This is pretty close to my position, and pretty close to an endorsement of what we did in Libya.
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:08 AM   #24
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Obama weighs sending shoulder-fired missiles to Syrian rebels

no blowback from this move at all. /s
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:12 AM   #25
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I just wonder one day if one of these shoulder-fired missiles would fire on a US jet.
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:20 AM   #27
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ya think?!

and then the US will go all crazy and attack some muslim country for the "war on terror" wasting trillions of dollars and many lives. They will then institute draconian laws in the US to try to somehow prevent this terror threat that they themselves created.

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Our foreign policy objectives in the middle east seem to be to destabilize any regime friendly or at least malleable to the West, and see that country fall into the hands of radical Islamists.
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then we have an excuse to keep going over to fight

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