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Old 05-21-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 07-02-2013, 04:36 PM   #406
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Nope to every line.
Corporate fascist.

Only a corporate fascist would believe a private medical decision should be in the hands someone other than the individual.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:37 PM   #407
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I think he's a grad student. ( Since you asked about his age...but I guess this could be any age too. Judging from is life experience I'd say he's a young grad student. Stuck in the Ivory Tower with Marxist profs far too long.)

your obsession with Marx is creepy.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:41 PM   #408
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:47 PM   #409
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Why should I, as the employer, pay for an elective med/procedure for my employee - religious or not?
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:50 PM   #410
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Why should I, as the employer, pay for an elective med/procedure for my employee - religious or not?
Are you under the impression that pills are more expensive than babies?
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:50 PM   #411
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Your freedom stops when you negatively affect me.
If that were the case, WBC would be out of business.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:52 PM   #412
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Are you under the impression that pills are more expensive than babies?
I understand your point, but why is paying for elective meds the employers responsibility if not for a health related reason?
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:09 PM   #413
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What our freedom stops when it negatively affects you, loneiguana?
Did you actually say THAT? Where'd you you find that fallacy?

I have news for you a lot of things in life negatively affect all of us that others do. You can't get rid of that with govt. It's when someone's rights interfere in another's rights that govt can intervene. This doesn't because getting items covered for insurance is not a right. It's a good or service.

This is just life. You must be miserable with so many people in the world not giving you your way all the time.

You should just come out and say you're too tight-fisted to pay your own way in the world like many before you without whining.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:13 PM   #414
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Corporate fascist.
Yeah, that's why I am against corporate subsidies just as much as I am against subsidies for individual. You can't say that. You're inconsistent...because you like special interest group laws. Technically speaking, Obama is the corporatist here.

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Only a corporate fascist would believe a private medical decision should be in the hands someone other than the individual.
I do believe it should be in the hands of the individual but that includes the individual paying for it. Other than that, we all have to deal with what's offered in life in the market and personally. Then I decide how to choose from the best of those options.

Only an all around fascist would use govt coercion to force others to offer what you want and pay for it too.
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:54 AM   #415
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When you pay for insurance, you pay into a pool of money that gets dolled out. You are paying, if you have insurance, for peoples birth control no matter what.

So, how is it a logical argument that you can't offer coverage for birth control for your employees, when by nature of the system, you are already paying for birth control?
No, that's not how it works.
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You are an incredibly stupid individual. What the **** do you think law is? LAW = FORCE you moron. I'm done with you, you're simply to stupid to debate. Simple self evident concepts are beyond your grasp. Hell you don;t even have a clue what fascism is yet you continue to throw the word around. You really are a joke.
Looks like more and more people are getting wise to loneiguana. I couldn't agree more.
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Looks like more and more people are getting wise to loneiguana. I couldn't agree more.
You should see him in the minimum wage debate. No clue about economics or how supply and demand works. Time to go into his Brave New World comparison to Orwell thread and post the abuse of language he thinks only the right engages in. He's loaded with words that have been redefined for propaganda.

Don't engage, because he never knows when to quit. He thinks repetition and assertion prove his point.
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