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Old 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM  
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Obamacare is postponed one year for...

...large corporations.

ObamaCare is still going into effect in 2014, but one key component of it is being temporarily shelved. The White House today postponed by one year a rule requiring employers to either provide coverage to employees or face hefty fines, reports the Wall Street Journal. The rule will take effect in 2015, instead of 2014...

Link: http://www.newser.com/story/170420/b...-one-year.html

It is better to duck the rising premium during the election year. Smart move!
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:36 AM   #16
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Small business's with less than 50 people are the only ones getting the exception.

why not get your ducks in a row, get the computer glitches and paperwork more in order before asking a real small business to take this on too.
Not only are you wrong about who gets the exception, youre also wrong about the reason.

For that we would have accepted either Obamacare is a pile of shit debacle, or like Benghazi, Obama is willing to lie to the public to help sway an election.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:41 AM   #17
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Obama won the 2012 election with ease. I don't see any reason why his policies shouldn't be fully implemented, regardless of how one feels about Obamacare. He DID win.
Talk to the guy that won.

He's the coward that won't stand behind the bullshit he's spent 1/2 a decade shoving down our throats.

This was Obama's doing. He knows his follow Democrats want nothing to do with the fallout of this thing so he's passing it down the road.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:41 AM   #18
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The good news is since Obama can arbitrarily decide when to inplement provisions of the law, so can the next president.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:46 AM   #19
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Talk to the guy that won.

He's the coward that won't stand behind the bullshit he's spent 1/2 a decade shoving down our throats.

This was Obama's doing. He knows his follow Democrats want nothing to do with the fallout of this thing so he's passing it down the road.

Right, but that's sorta my point. Why should the GOP keep putting up roadblocks to this? The guy won. Let his policies be implemented. If they fail (and they will), let him OWN it. At the very least let the voters who supported him also OWN their vote.


I hear idiots talk about how the GOP needs to agree to amnesty because Obama won and the people therefore must agree with Obama on it. But yet the GOP fights Obamacare tooth and nail with no fear. It's amazing.


Obama is the wizard behind the curtain. Pull back the curtain, and he will be exposed as a tiny little man. Why the GOP would ever fear him is hilarious. His polls are in the 45 range anyway.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #20
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Obama won the 2012 election with ease. I don't see any reason why his policies shouldn't be fully implemented, regardless of how one feels about Obamacare. He DID win.
I do, if they're unconstitutional...despite Robert's ignoring the original clause when he re-named it a tax.

But it was Pelosi and Reid that did Obama's bidding....so you can't just blame Obama. Presidents themselves, aren't allowed to create legislation.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:15 PM   #21
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Makes sense, it's just sad it had to come to this.

The employer mandate's probably the single worst idea in Obamacare. It was established for companies of 50+ employees who don't provide insurance, instead of on a per capita basis, due to pressure from businesses that didn't want to be affected. As a result of this, there are legitimate concerns about reductions in jobs and especially in full time jobs.

It honestly should be repealed, and replaced by something more functional with less collateral damage, like a per capita standard.

But -- the problem is, Congress would have to do that. And Republicans refuse to make even legitimate, unquestionable improvements to the law because it would make them look sympathetic to it.

Therefore, no changes can really be made to it, at least none that can be now. So the administration has to delay this decaying aspect of Obamacare for a year, and then probably for a couple more years after that. Who knows.

Making reasonable adjustments to existing laws is sensible, but the GOP has painted itself into a corner on Obamacare, so they can't even do that.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:17 PM   #22
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Gotta get that past the 2014 election cycle.

People are going to be losing jobs and having hours cut to pay for this thing, just as everyone that actually runs a business has said would happen. Dear Leader can't have that pain felt before those 2014 election cycles.

He's an absolutely pathetic leader. His entire Presidency has been built around trumping up this catastrophic piece of shit and he doesn't even have the stones to fully implement it.
Uh, he didn't write the law.

The law is not a perfect beast -- no law governing 1/6th of the American economy will be.

But to claim these problems are either inherently flawed or irreparably ****ed is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how governing works. This can easily be tweaked, but the politics of doing so are so poisonous for one of the parties in power (a totally self-inflicted foible) that this difficulty with the law will not be allowed to get fixed.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:18 PM   #23
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Obama won the 2012 election with ease. I don't see any reason why his policies shouldn't be fully implemented, regardless of how one feels about Obamacare. He DID win.
They should be implemented intelligently.

This is an unintelligent aspect in Obamacare. He's doing the best he can to mitigate it, holding out hope that the GOP can help fix this part of the law.

Of course, the problem is they won't, because they don't want to make the law work better.

It's the very definition of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:19 PM   #24
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Talk to the guy that won.

He's the coward that won't stand behind the bullshit he's spent 1/2 a decade shoving down our throats.

This was Obama's doing. He knows his follow Democrats want nothing to do with the fallout of this thing so he's passing it down the road.
Democrats want this problem fixed.

Republicans don't. Republicans do not want to make Obamacare better.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:20 PM   #25
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Makes sense, it's just sad it had to come to this.

The employer mandate's probably the single worst idea in Obamacare. It was established for companies of 50+ employees who don't provide insurance, instead of on a per capita basis, due to pressure from businesses that didn't want to be affected. As a result of this, there are legitimate concerns about reductions in jobs and especially in full time jobs.

It honestly should be repealed, and replaced by something more functional with less collateral damage, like a per capita standard.

But -- the problem is, Congress would have to do that. And Republicans refuse to make even legitimate, unquestionable improvements to the law because it would make them look sympathetic to it.

Therefore, no changes can really be made to it, at least none that can be now. So the administration has to delay this decaying aspect of Obamacare for a year, and then probably for a couple more years after that. Who knows.

Making reasonable adjustments to existing laws is sensible, but the GOP has painted itself into a corner on Obamacare, so they can't even do that.
You're right, however this whole thing is a ****ing abortion. Obama caved on the single most important piece to make this a functioning, successful endeavor. The single payer system. He had an opportunity, squandered it, and is now back peddling on it for the sake of his party. Business as usual in Washington. **** every last one of them. (Legally of course dear NSA spy overlord)
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:20 PM   #26
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The good news is since Obama can arbitrarily decide when to inplement provisions of the law, so can the next president.
I do agree this is a really egregious end-run around Congress.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:24 PM   #27
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You're right, however this whole thing is a ****ing abortion. Obama caved on the single most important piece to make this a functioning, successful endeavor. The single payer system. He had an opportunity, squandered it, and is now back peddling on it for the sake of his party. Business as usual in Washington. **** every last one of them. (Legally of course dear NSA spy overlord)
Obama didn't cave on shit -- he never campaigned on single payer.

Single payer is put up for a vote in the HELP committee in every single Congress, and can't even get double-digits to vote in favor of it.

Obama adopted a relatively successful healthcare scheme that Romney implemented in Massachussetts, and that Republicans had been clamoring for since the 1990s.

At that exact moment, of course, the GOP reversed course and decided that the Heritage Foundation's ideas for healthcare in the 90s was all of a sudden terrible (except not terrible enough to prevent Romney himself from representing their party in 2012?).

With zero Republican support, the Democrats had to turn to about everybody else to help get this thing passed. That means a shit ton of interest groups, including AARP, AMA, and the chamber of commerce. And the chamber of commerce wanted this very provision that's now getting delayed, because what the Democrats actually wanted would have affected more businesses than they preferred.

Under normal circumstances, this is not a big deal. This is how the sausage gets made. Make your compromises now, and fix the law later.

The problem, of course, is that the GOP doesn't want the law to get improved. So here we are.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:28 PM   #28
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I do agree this is a really egregious end-run around Congress.
I wondered about that. However, the thing is like eleventy billion pages, so perhaps there is some discretion allowed in implementation in there, but I don't know that for certain.
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