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Old 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM  
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Obamacare is postponed one year for...

...large corporations.

ObamaCare is still going into effect in 2014, but one key component of it is being temporarily shelved. The White House today postponed by one year a rule requiring employers to either provide coverage to employees or face hefty fines, reports the Wall Street Journal. The rule will take effect in 2015, instead of 2014...

Link: http://www.newser.com/story/170420/b...-one-year.html

It is better to duck the rising premium during the election year. Smart move!
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:49 PM   #46
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This is bullshit & sets me back a year!
I had big plans of retiring forever in 2014, using Obamacare & a bogus disability claim that I got permanently hurt trying to spell on Chiefs Planet. FML!
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:02 PM   #47
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Small business's with less than 50 people are the only ones getting the exception.

why not get your ducks in a row, get the computer glitches and paperwork more in order before asking a real small business to take this on too.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:10 PM   #48
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:27 PM   #49
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Let's make one thing clear. Obamacare does not make anything better for me or my family. Nothing. Not now, not tomorrow, not in 50 years. It makes it worse. More for us to pay now and less benefits when we normally would have gotten from medicare in the future.

This pie in the sky idea that the average middle class working man is going to benefit in the long run is total bull shit.
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Wellll I'm a middle class worker. Here's how I have or will benefit....
  1. No pre-existing conditions.
  2. No cap on benefits. If I or a member of my family need to battle cancer, they will get the help they need.
  3. Insurance companies can't drop me or my family if we get sick.
  4. Carrying my 21 year old son on my health insurance. He may never need it but he gets in a car wreck and in the hospital for a couple of days, he could rack up some serious debt. Not a good way to start out life. One less thing to worry about as a parent.
  5. Insurance companies have to spend at least 80% of all revenue on healthcare. If they go over, we get a refund. I've already got two checks, one for $325 and another for $110.
  6. A shitload of preventive services will be free. Googled the list.http://www.uspreventiveservicestaskf...uspsabrecs.htm
Thats better than what I got right now. Better than most working people will ever get from their insurance plan withotu Obamacare passing.

Why doesn't the items in this list benefit you or your family?
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:34 PM   #50
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Democrats want this problem fixed.

Republicans don't. Republicans do not want to make Obamacare better.
Democrats didn't give a rat's ass about this as they voted for a bill they never read.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:39 PM   #51
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I love how Direkshun is now blaming Repubs for this
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:45 PM   #52
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Let's make one thing clear. Obamacare does not make anything better for me or my family. Nothing. Not now, not tomorrow, not in 50 years. It makes it worse. More for us to pay now and less benefits when we normally would have gotten from medicare in the future.

This pie in the sky idea that the average middle class working man is going to benefit in the long run is total bull shit.
You are 100% wrong on this....

The system that we have is completely busted, the only ones who will not benefit from fixing it are extremely poor people who pay nothing out of pocket either way.

Anyone who actually pays for health insurance or medical bills will benefit from things like affordable health care act and romney care in Mass...

In fact, its really the only way health insurance can survive if you understand the details.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:47 PM   #53
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Wellll I'm a middle class worker. Here's how I have or will benefit....
  1. No pre-existing conditions.
  2. No cap on benefits. If I or a member of my family need to battle cancer, they will get the help they need.
  3. Insurance companies can't drop me or my family if we get sick.
  4. Carrying my 21 year old son on my health insurance. He may never need it but he gets in a car wreck and in the hospital for a couple of days, he could rack up some serious debt. Not a good way to start out life. One less thing to worry about as a parent.
  5. Insurance companies have to spend at least 80% of all revenue on healthcare. If they go over, we get a refund. I've already got two checks, one for $325 and another for $110.
  6. A shitload of preventive services will be free. Googled the list.http://www.uspreventiveservicestaskf...uspsabrecs.htm
Thats better than what I got right now. Better than most working people will ever get from their insurance plan withotu Obamacare passing.


Why doesn't the items in this list benefit you or your family?
1. N/A. We already have to health insurance policies.
2. With our limits the chances of running out of benefits is low. If I reach the $2 million mark I doubt I'll feel much like living.
3. N/A. I have one kid left just starting college and I always could keep him on my policy as long as he's in school.
4. I'd call BS but whatever. I'd be anxious to know how many others have received checks from their insurance companies. I'd bet the increase in your premiums outweigh your checks.
5. LOL, nothing is free. That's what you don't seem to understand.

My insurance costs have increased at levels never before because of Obamacare. You're pretending everyone will benefit from the items you listed, and that isn't true. I'm not saying some won't benefit from what you listed, but by the far majority won't.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:50 PM   #54
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My insurance costs have increased at levels never before because of Obamacare.
I call bullshit here. Obama care should (in theory) lower your bill, and hasn't been implemented yet. Your healthcare bills ARE at a record level, as are mine....but Obamacare is hardly the root of the problem(* and the rise started long before Obama care....)

I'm not sure whose facts you are regurgitating but you really shouldn't spout off about stuff you don't understand.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:57 PM   #55
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1) your medical bills were already at record high levels before anyone had ever even heard of Obama

2) your medical bills rose to even higher levels yet, before Obama care was passed

3) if obama care never existed your medical bills would continue to rise at the high rates they have been rising at

4) the exchanges which will give everyone the opportunity to negotiate better proices, and actually lower our rates do not get implemented till 2014, so we haven't had a chance to see how the theory of competition and supply vs demand will affect prices...but there is almost no way that these exchanges will cause an increase in prices...it wouldnt make any sense....and even if there is an increase in proces AT LEAST WE ****ING TRIED SOMETHING to lower prices....

5) I have yet to hear of any better ideas, so I am open to any solutions but simply repealing obama care (without at least trying to let the exchanges do their job for a couple of years) and offering nothing to the people in return is un acceptable
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:59 PM   #56
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1. N/A. We already have to health insurance policies.
2. With our limits the chances of running out of benefits is low. If I reach the $2 million mark I doubt I'll feel much like living.
3. N/A. I have one kid left just starting college and I always could keep him on my policy as long as he's in school.
4. I'd call BS but whatever. I'd be anxious to know how many others have received checks from their insurance companies. I'd bet the increase in your premiums outweigh your checks.
5. LOL, nothing is free. That's what you don't seem to understand.

My insurance costs have increased at levels never before because of Obamacare. You're pretending everyone will benefit from the items you listed, and that isn't true. I'm not saying some won't benefit from what you listed, but by the far majority won't.
Interesting. Most people and I think the vast majority would benefit from that list. You are letting your hatred of Obama cloud your judgement.

#4 the employer can keep the money from the insurance company and apply it to lower your premiums in the future or give out checks. It's the employers choice. I'm sure most companies will keep it and not even tell you. The companies I work for have no choice.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:24 PM   #57
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I call bullshit here. Obama care should (in theory) lower your bill, and hasn't been implemented yet. Your healthcare bills ARE at a record level, as are mine....but Obamacare is hardly the root of the problem(* and the rise started long before Obama care....)

I'm not sure whose facts you are regurgitating but you really shouldn't spout off about stuff you don't understand.
Good God. Take your own advice and get your facts straight before spouting off. Parts of Obamacare have already taken place and my costs reflect that.

And if you think insuring 30 million more people who weren't paying anything is going to lower my costs you're absolutely nuts.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:39 PM   #58
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oh good -- I'm spared a year till my commercial death. ah, but the kids love that corporatism and hey, it's all about the kids.
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And if you think insuring 30 million more people who weren't paying anything is going to lower my costs you're absolutely nuts.
You are so ****ing stupid it hurts....

The MORE people in an insurance pool the CHEAPER it costs everyone per person...

Its the basic fundamental rule of insurance..

You are a ****ign retarded idiot, jesus christ, how are you even allowed to ****ing vote?


and Ive got a news flash for you:

All of the rest of the people in the world smarter than you realize it is cheaper to insure people and get them preventative care than it is to fix them in emergency rooms every time they get sick...

You think those "30 million people" dont raise your health costs ANYWAY? Moron.

You are quite simply, a ****ing dumb ass.
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