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Old 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM  
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Obamacare is postponed one year for...

...large corporations.

ObamaCare is still going into effect in 2014, but one key component of it is being temporarily shelved. The White House today postponed by one year a rule requiring employers to either provide coverage to employees or face hefty fines, reports the Wall Street Journal. The rule will take effect in 2015, instead of 2014...

Link: http://www.newser.com/story/170420/b...-one-year.html

It is better to duck the rising premium during the election year. Smart move!
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:21 PM   #106
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3) under Obamacare not a chance. In some hippy co-op world where we all hold hands and do what is best, possibly.
No one said anything about obama care...The STATES are free to set up the exchanges under this plan. Only the lame asses who choose to have Obama be forced to run their exchanges because they suck too much to set up their own exchanges have to deal with him.

Most of the states set their own exchanges up.

Besides, that not even what I asked.....

I asked if exchanges, in theory, should lower or raise prices due to competition.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:22 PM   #107
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But direck says its already lowering costs?
If he said that, I don't see how it could be even known, let alone true....

If anything I would imagine some companies are trying to suck every last little bit of blood from us and our families before they are forced to compete against each other, fairly.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:25 PM   #108
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You can sit here and whine and cry all you want. The fact is the Dems shoved this through, no one read it and now they are having to lye in the bed the made and you don't like it. To sit here and blame the Repubs for anything at all is just pure bullshit and shows what ****ing cry baby ****s the Left are.
Say the Democrats put up a bill today saying "let's repeal the employer mandate and replace it with a drastically less damaging solution for employers, such as having to provide health insurance to their employees on a per capita basis rather than an arbitrary 50+ employees limit."

You tell me, Pete: What percentage of Democrats vote for that, and what percentage of Republicans vote for it?

My guess, 90+% of Democrats vote for it. 0% of Republicans vote for it.

You?
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:25 PM   #109
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But direck says its already lowering costs?
Swing and a miss.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:26 PM   #110
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4)I am ALL for this one, didn't need Obamacare for this though.
Apparently we did, (unless i missed the part of this happening without it) so you are wrong on that. Perhaps if you were correct we wouldnt have needed to go this far.

also, this idea works in synergy with the exchange system and new, simple wording on plans that will make comparison shopping much easier
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:30 PM   #111
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You can sit here and whine and cry all you want. The fact is the Dems shoved this through, no one read it
We only debated this for a year. The #1 story on TV. Countless committee meetings. Debate on the Senate and House floors ad nausem and it was just shoved through? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Go see the anti-abortion bills that the big government Republicans jammed through in North Carolina, Ohio and Texas this week. Thats jamming through.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 PM   #112
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Apparently we did, (unless i missed the part of this happening without it) so you are wrong on that. Perhaps if you were correct we wouldnt have needed to go this far.

also, this idea works in synergy with the exchange system and new, simple wording on plans that will make comparison shopping much easier
You aren't very good with logic at all are ya? So because Karl Benz invented the automobile it would have never been invented without him! BRILLIANT! Big ol logic fail on that one chief.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:51 PM   #113
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You aren't very good with logic at all are ya? So because Karl Benz invented the automobile it would have never been invented without him! BRILLIANT! Big ol logic fail on that one chief.
Yes I am sure it would have 'just happened'

Its like your version of health care...

"dont worry guys it will happen someday"

This plan 'isn't good enough' but you dont like single payer either...but "hey don't worry a better plan will come along guys"

And you wonder why shit like Obama Care is forced on all of us?

Idiots like you are the ****ing problem...You are so ****ing stupid you don't even realize this basic shit.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:52 PM   #114
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No one said anything about obama care...The STATES are free to set up the exchanges under this plan. Only the lame asses who choose to have Obama be forced to run their exchanges because they suck too much to set up their own exchanges have to deal with him.

Most of the states set their own exchanges up.
Ouch. Really? I guess if there are 57 states maybe this would be true.. but since TWENTY SIX states have opted out, that means you are wrong.... again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...are-exchanges/
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:54 PM   #115
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Ouch. Really? I guess if there are 57 states maybe this would be true.. but since TWENTY SIX states have opted out, that means you are wrong.... again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...are-exchanges/
Sorry , I should have said half of the states with MOST of the population....

about 13 of those piss ant states are not even relevant any longer.

and read your own article:

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As for the partisan breakdown, this graph should give you a sense of how politics played a role in state decisions. While you do see some Republican-led states running exchanges—and some states with Democratic governors passing up the opportunity—there is a definite split along party lines.


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Old 07-03-2013, 10:55 PM   #116
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Yes I am sure it would have 'just happened'

Its like your version of health care...

"dont worry guys it will happen someday"

This plan 'isn't good enough' but you dont like single payer either...but "hey don't worry a better plan will come along guys"

And you wonder why shit like Obama Care is forced on all of us?

Idiots like you are the ****ing problem...You are so ****ing stupid you don't even realize this basic shit.
No you are simply a child. A ****ing spoiled short sighted child who doesn't understand that some of us would rather swallow the bitter pill of a current system failing so that we can do SERIOUS work on overhauling it. People like you can't fathom anything so scary and instead opt for bullshit answers like Obamacare which doesn't do a GOD DAMN THING to address any of the core problems with healthcare in America, instead it props up most of the bullshit that got us here to begin with. Good for you idiot.
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Sorry , I should have said half of the states with MOST of the population....

about 13 of those piss ant states are not even relevant any longer.
How about we count the states that actually have money. Does that make California something like -3 piss ant states?
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:03 PM   #118
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How about we count the states that actually have money. Does that make California something like -3 piss ant states?
You do realize that california is one of the MINORITY of states that has a NET POSITIVE impact to the federal government?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...nding_by_State

How many of the net negative states are on that list of 26 states? Theres only 19 or 20 states that CONTRIBUTE more than they spend of federal dollars.

California is one of them, you ignorant ****ing imbecile.

So go **** yourself while Mississipi votes against health care yet is on welfare (note that BOTH Kansas and Missouri are on welfare from the federal government as well and shockingly yet they want to deny their citizens of health care)

"obama sux"

"Kalifornia sux"

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Old 07-03-2013, 11:06 PM   #119
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You do realize that california is one of the MINORITY of states that has a NET POSITIVE impact to the federal government?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...nding_by_State

How many of the net negative states are on that list of 26 states? Theres only 19 or 20 states that CONTRIBUTE more than they spend of federal dollars.

California is one of them, you ignorant ****ing imbecile.
HAHAHA they can't pay their own bills but who cares! They help prop up a bloated Federal govt! Damn boy you sound dumber and dumber the more you post. You are the typical cradle to graver.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:11 PM   #120
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HAHAHA they can't pay their own bills
Oh we don't? Silly me I thought we just got the new budget done a couple weeks ago...

What bills aren't we paying?

DO you not understand the information on the chart I gave you...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...nding_by_State

Many states LEECH MONEY from the federal government. now you are saying that it is better to leech than to pay your share? WHich is it you ****ing hypocrite?

You are ****ing dumb.
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