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Old 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM  
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Obamacare is postponed one year for...
...large corporations.

ObamaCare is still going into effect in 2014, but one key component of it is being temporarily shelved. The White House today postponed by one year a rule requiring employers to either provide coverage to employees or face hefty fines, reports the Wall Street Journal. The rule will take effect in 2015, instead of 2014...

Link: http://www.newser.com/story/170420/b...-one-year.html

It is better to duck the rising premium during the election year. Smart move!
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:30 PM   #121
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Oh we don't? Silly me I thought we just got the new budget done a couple weeks ago...

What bills aren't we paying?

DO you not understand the information on the chart I gave you...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...nding_by_State

Many states LEECH MONEY from the federal government. now you are saying that it is better to leech than to pay your share? WHich is it you ****ing hypocrite?

You are ****ing dumb.
Obviously I understand it better than you do. That chart includes outlays such as SALARIES so a state with a small population but large military bases would have skewed data. If you truly understood the data you'd know that it does nothing to prop up your argument. One that has veered off course to cover up your mistake in claiming that a majority of states have set up exchanges. Best bet. Admit you ****ed up and move on. Don't try to mask it by claiming you meant a majority of "real" states or whatever crazy criteria you want to use. You just make it worse. Simple mistake. Oops. Doesn't mean much to the issue we were debating. Leave it and go back to the important shit. I am certainly not going to bring it up as if that mistake invalidates everything else you are saying. Everything else you are saying is invalid on it's own lack of merit.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:43 PM   #122
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You're right. It has veered way off course. I already admitted my mistake in being off by a couple States...and stated1) that a majority of the population will be represented by the 24 States who have chosen their own path and 2) the 26 States for now who have refused to take part have done so across partisan lines primarily.

You got me bro. I was off by a couple States. I guess that makes up for the rest of your feeble, incompetent, ignorant statements and the fact you can't rebut any of the actual points I have brought up.

Congrats on "winning" just like repubs
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:45 AM   #123
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You're right. It has veered way off course. I already admitted my mistake in being off by a couple States...and stated1) that a majority of the population will be represented by the 24 States who have chosen their own path and 2) the 26 States for now who have refused to take part have done so across partisan lines primarily.

You got me bro. I was off by a couple States. I guess that makes up for the rest of your feeble, incompetent, ignorant statements and the fact you can't rebut any of the actual points I have brought up.

Congrats on "winning" just like repubs
No as I stated. Simple mistake. Not really important. Has nothing to do with the core argument which in this thread was costs. You claim these massive emergency room cost savings.. you base this on unicorn farts and leprechaun tears are far as I can tell. You tell me.. "just wait until the whole bill is here! Then you'll see!" I say... bullshit... I don't believe costs will go down or even stabilize or that we will even see a lower rate of increase... because nothing in Obamacare addresses the main issue. We have insulated ourselves from the actual COSTS of health care and placed insurance as a blanket over our eyes. Most Americans see medical costs ONLY as a function of insurance. Obamacare continues this lunacy. Until market forces can come to bear on the actual medical costs.. NOT JUST INSURANCE COSTS.. there isn't much that can effectively drive prices down. Unless of course you want to go full bore on govt implemented price controls... that's always a winner!

So, yes, "we shall see" unfortunately your faith in a bullshit solution means "we shall see" in 3 or 4 or 5 years and if you are wrong as I have full faith you will be... we will be a long ways down a very shit path.
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:06 AM   #124
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Maybe The House GOP should vote to attempt to Repeal Obamacare.

I'm sure that hasn't been tried yet.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:29 AM   #125
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Maybe The House GOP should vote to attempt to Repeal Obamacare.

I'm sure that hasn't been tried yet.
Now there's an idea.

I bet if they actually tried to repeal and replace this PART of Obamacare, they'd get bipartisan support.

But in the world of the GOP, repealing a part of Obamacare, instead of all of Obamacare, is tacit support of Obamacare.

Somebody tell me why that makes sense.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #126
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The problem, of course, is that the GOP doesn't want the law to get improved. So here we are.
Uh, that useless hunk of shit bum **** barry and his cronies force fed a bill down American's throat that anyone with a 10th grade education could tell was an unmitigated disaster that made Reagan's "Star Wars" look like a brilliant idea.

And keep in mind that the law they shoved down our throats applies to everyone but the people who wrote it.

So please place blame where blame is due: bum **** barry and his cronies.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:55 AM   #127
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Where did you get that idea? The 37 times they voted to repeal it?

Like it or not its here to stay. SCOTUS says its constitional. You need 60 votes in the Senate and the Presidency to repeal. And with the Republican party in a demographic death spiral, that ain't going to happen ever.

The sooner that they realize its better to improve Obamacare, the better for us all.
Goebbels,

I know we need to legalize millions of illegals so the Republican Party doesn't die. Thank you so much for your concern!

I also remember the death of the Republican party when women allowed to vote. When blacks were allowed to vote. In 1986 amnesty....

Shut your pie hole go lick some government asshole like a good little boy.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:16 AM   #128
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I really laugh when fools break out the "red state moochers" argument. Romney won comfortably (+7) among voters >50k while Obama won huge among those making less. I don't have to explain who is paying these federal taxes that get transferred.


(Hint: it's not the folks getting Obamaphones)
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:23 AM   #129
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The Democrats didn't force this bill though?



If you said that Matt Cassel is a great QB it would have more truth to it.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:24 AM   #130
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So now the Democrats didn't force this bill though?


JFC, if you said that Matt Cassel is a great QB it would have more truth to it.
Voted on it through the normal procedures = forced?
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:25 AM   #131
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Voted on it through the normal procedures = forced?
When the majority of Americans are against it /that is forced
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:26 AM   #132
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The Democrats didn't force this bill though?
The ACA was assed with sizable majorities in both chambers.

60% of the Senate voted for it.
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Voted on it through the normal procedures = forced?
"Normal"

They shoved it through a crack in the door that was opened a long time ago because of political garbage. Both sides abuse it, and both sides are wrong.

Rewind your memory to when his bill was being voted on. Do you remember all of the kickbacks and bribes that it took to buy votes?

Stop being a blind follower of your party and open your eyes and see a broken system.

We don't want to hear you bitch, piss and moan when the Republican dipshits get their greasy little hands on power and use the same shit to shove laws down our throats.

...Reconciliation.....
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When the majority of Americans are against it /that is forced
They're against "Obamacare". They're for the stuff that's in it.
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Rewind your memory to when his bill was being voted on. Do you remember all of the kickbacks and bribes that it took to buy votes?
Oh -- you mean lawmaking?
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