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Old 07-05-2013, 11:59 AM  
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Bush & Cheney Knew About 9/11 Months Before It Happened Says Whistleblower Charged Un

Bush & Cheney Knew About 9/11 Months Before It Happened Says Whistleblower Charged Under Patriot Act

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Old 07-05-2013, 03:22 PM   #31
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Someone should have put him in charge of security at the World Trade Center.
The tower's construction was its own downfall. Regardless, there's not much one can do to ensure safety when the enemy has air superiority.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:26 PM   #32
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The tower's construction was its own downfall. Regardless, there's not much one can do to ensure safety when the enemy has air superiority.
I was just joking around since O'Neill was, in fact, made the chief of security at the WTC just a couple of weeks before he died in the attack there. I agree that there wasn't much he could have done short of pre-emptive evacuation (had he actually known the specifics of the attack).
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:35 PM   #33
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Everyone knows about the PDB, but this is a classic case of revisionism. It's easy to see the warning signs now when you know an attack happened, but you also have to consider the thousands of other estimates, analyses, and predictions that never came to fruition.

Trying to assign blame to 9/11 is the work of a scared fool; it's that same type of fool that uses religion to explain away everything in the world because they are too terrified to acknowledge that there are some things without easily digestible explanations.

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making excuses for a complete systemic breakdown in nat'l security leading to thousands of dead americans is the work of fools.

the borders of passage are still just as open as ever -- see 2013 boston marathon. Hundreds of thousands in nat'l security with over a decade experience in modern security risks, backed by hundreds of billion$ in taxpayer money, and folks like you are still defending the assholes.

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If you want ironclad security against the spectrum of terrorist attacks you are more than welcome to advocate for a police state. Personally, I'll trade a higher risk of a terrorist attack for basic freedoms and an absence of constant surveillance.


hmm, well, I don't see where I said that, Hamas. I think we are on the same side of personal freedom vs giving up personal freedom. I took your comment as "money well spent, carry on" and disagreed.

It's become almost comical that the gov't has added so many "dept of _____" and yet each group hordes info, bumbling the overall job of taxation or defense, policing, you can just see how the grand design is fail all across the board. only somebody with bad intent would build such an enormous bureaucracy.

and now we are finding they are building a secret layer of gov't. it's hilarious. the film "brazil" in real life.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:04 PM   #34
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:16 PM   #35
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FWIW, there is a very interesting (and sad) Frontline documentary about an agent, John O'Neill, who pressed really hard for greater diligence WRT the threats that manifested as 9/11, but he was ultimately thwarted by internal politics and his own personal vices. It's called "The Man Who Knew".
One of the best Frontline docs ever.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:41 PM   #36
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I was just joking around since O'Neill was, in fact, made the chief of security at the WTC just a couple of weeks before he died in the attack there. I agree that there wasn't much he could have done short of pre-emptive evacuation (had he actually known the specifics of the attack).
I know. It's a textbook definition of irony.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:45 PM   #37
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hmm, well, I don't see where I said that, Hamas. I think we are on the same side of personal freedom vs giving up personal freedom. I took your comment as "money well spent, carry on" and disagreed.

It's become almost comical that the gov't has added so many "dept of _____" and yet each group hordes info, bumbling the overall job of taxation or defense, policing, you can just see how the grand design is fail all across the board. only somebody with bad intent would build such an enormous bureaucracy.

and now we are finding they are building a secret layer of gov't. it's hilarious. the film "brazil" in real life.
I was following your idea to its ultimate conclusion. IMO, you can't shore up those borders without turning the country into a police state. I understand the intent due to the initial political will behind it, but I also agree that it has been misused as an agent of imperial strategy.
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:50 PM   #38
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If the government really allowed 3000 Americans to be killed, on purpose, they would not be able to keep something like that a secret.

The government has kept many explosive revelations secret, so far. But no way on any level could they keep this secret. Too many people would go public with the information.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:21 PM   #39
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If the government really allowed 3000 Americans to be killed, on purpose, they would not be able to keep something like that a secret.

The government has kept many explosive revelations secret, so far. But no way on any level could they keep this secret. Too many people would go public with the information.
They had thousands of our boys killed over a lie in Iraq. Bush and former human Dick Cheney should be charged with war crimes.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:35 PM   #40
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I know. It's a textbook definition of irony.
I was going to say "I was being ironic", but I'm always worried that I'm wrong about what irony means so I try to avoid saying it.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:37 PM   #41
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They had thousands of our boys killed over a lie in Iraq. Bush and former human Dick Cheney should be charged with war crimes.
We need a better education system.
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We need a better education system.
Yup the baby boomers are proof of that.
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Yup the baby boomers are proof of that.
I'm seeing evidence that the baby boomers weren't very effective parents.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:45 PM   #44
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They had thousands of our boys killed over a lie in Iraq. Bush and former human Dick Cheney should be charged with war crimes.
Stop and think for a minute about the argument you're trying to make.

You're saying that the failure to find WMD in Iraq proves that it was possible for the US government to mastermind a conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans by sneaking explosives into multiple World Trade Center buildings, installing all of those explosives in secret places, and detonating them on 9/11, all without being detected by ANYONE. The government was also lucky enough that some insane Muslim terrorists decided to highjack some jets and crash them into those exact same buildings at the exact right times that the government could detonate the explosives and blame the whole thing on Osama bin Laden's terrorist group. And they were able to execute this complicated plan perfectly, and NOBODY who was involved in the conspiracy ever came forward to expose the plan.



If the government was that good at planting things, they would have planted WMD in Iraq.

The woman in this video didn't know shit. It's easy to claim after the fact that you knew it was going to happen. I'd like to see somebody come forward and say "I was involved in the planting of the explosives, and this is what I was ordered to do and how we did it". Nobody has come forward in 12 years. Nobody is ever going to come forward because it didn't happen.

9/11 conspiracy theorists have to be the dumbest people on the Internet.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:03 PM   #45
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9/11 conspiracy theorists have to be the dumbest people on the Internet.
Definitely in the running....but Ron Paul/Lew Rockwell nutjobs put up a helluva fight.
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