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Old 07-06-2013, 02:02 PM  
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"Obesity is a disease not a decision"

This is a new campaign that the American Medical Association actually declared obesity a disease! Billboards with this phrase are popping up around the country.

I've worked out for 10 years straight and I definitely sacrifice eating shit food even though I enjoy it just as much as the next guy. THIS IS A DECISION I HAVE CONSCIOUSLY MADE.

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/da...n-disease.html

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Old 07-07-2013, 10:06 AM   #121
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I'm not obese or overweight, but I have really bad gas right now. I felt like this was the appropriate thread to share this with you all.

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Old 07-07-2013, 10:09 AM   #122
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I'm not obese or overweight, but I have really bad gas right now. I felt like this was the appropriate thread to share this with you all.

God bless.


Speaking of gas, I have it as well. I went to the Cheesecake factory last night. Talk about calorie overload. I made that toilet work this morning!
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People shouldn't overstate the depression/stifling aspect of overeating. For many, it's just status quo.

I never reached the heights of a 445# frame., but I did get up to 270-275#. I never felt a compulsion to eat, but we had nice restaurants near work and it was a nice break to sit down to a generous tasty meal and chat at mid day.

I went from 180-240# in college and was happy as a clam throughout. There was just a cafeteria with tons of shitty food available 24/7.

People aren't cowering somewhere eating compulsively to mask mental pain. They simply aren't thinking about it. Too large of a meal with too much fat and too many calories is simply too routine and too tasty to resist day in, day out. Processed food pops out of the fridge and heats right up, veggies have to be chopped mixed and cooked, and go bad within the week. It's a pain in the ass to eat healthy. I know because I actually PREFER salads and fresh veggies to processed food. But between going to market, picking out produce, preparing it, then throwing out the spoiled EVERY week, all it takes is one session of tossing some fries or mozzarella sticks on a baking sheet to fall back into familiar patterns.

I'm now back down to 195#, but it took a volitional realization that I HATED how I looked and an extended period of nearly no caloric intake [never did exercise, didn't have the time].

In sum, for many overeating is a default not a proactive effort. The proactive effort is NOT overeating.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:38 AM   #124
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I can take this a few ways, but no way could anyone make a blank statement that obesity is a disease unless you consider than anyone who has it is at a health risk. There are some who through genetics are obese, great minority. There are some who have mental issues that make them obese, which could be considered a disease. Most have gotten themselves to where they are. That's not a disease, its a lifestyle choice.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:53 AM   #125
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I can take this a few ways, but no way could anyone make a blank statement that obesity is a disease unless you consider than anyone who has it is at a health risk. There are some who through genetics are obese, great minority. There are some who have mental issues that make them obese, which could be considered a disease. Most have gotten themselves to where they are. That's not a disease, its a lifestyle choice.
So despite evidence to the contrary you are just going to make a blank statement yourself. I can provide several factors out of someones control that contribute and your rebuttal is "no, they choose to be fat."

Think how ****ing ridiculous that sounds.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #126
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So despite evidence to the contrary you are just going to make a blank statement yourself. I can provide several factors out of someones control that contribute and your rebuttal is "no, they choose to be fat."

Think how ****ing ridiculous that sounds.
I made no blank statement. In fact I put them in several categories. I would say the largest category is those that did it to themselves.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:26 PM   #127
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I want to apologize for coming off like a gym-rat douchebag. I am really not like that in real-life and I forget that what comes as second nature to me, isn't so for everyone.

I have a bachelor's in Health and Human Performance and was a personal trainer/gym manager for a few years. And while I took a different route in my career path, for reasons of career stability/money, I still hold the value that what is healthy or weight loss is very simple. When I was training, I preached this to my clients all the time. Almost to the point of undervaluing my services! Horrible business practices I know. No wonder I chose a different career! But for me it is about honesty and all of this is really very simple. There isn't some magic formula you have to figure out. If you are gaining weight, you are eating too many calories, if you are losing weight you are eating less calories than you need.

Sacrifice isn't easy and it does suck that you have to search/seek the health foods in grocery stores while all the good tasting stuff is right in our faces. I don't like eating chicken breast and veggies, but I do. I hate the taste of tuna but eat it 5x a week. Food is about fuel for the body, not pleasure. If I sacrifice during the week by eating the right fuel, I can have the pleasure of good tasting food worked into my diet as well. I will never totally give up pizza, beer and burgers. I just know that I can't eat them every night, even if those are definitely what tastes way better.

I have offered my services to help a few members here try to get started down the right path. Guidance over the internet isn't easy as I have no the actual starting point of these guys. However, it really is simple to be healthy and lose weight. I am not talking about having 6-pack abs, I don't have those either. It is about a body weight where you are comfortable and can maintain a healthy, active life style.

I really hope those who are struggling with weight can figure out a simply system that works for them. It seriously is VERY simple. Sacrifice isn't easy, not even for me after all these years. Adjust your mind set and get the positive mental reward of changing your physical appearance, which will adjust your mental attitude as well.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I am very passionate simply because I know the sacrifices I make to live healthy and wish others could realize that it isn't easy for anyone but IS very simple to do.


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Old 07-07-2013, 01:53 PM   #128
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People aren't cowering somewhere eating compulsively to mask mental pain. They simply aren't thinking about it. Too large of a meal with too much fat and too many calories is simply too routine and too tasty to resist day in, day out. Processed food pops out of the fridge and heats right up, veggies have to be chopped mixed and cooked, and go bad within the week. It's a pain in the ass to eat healthy. I know because I actually PREFER salads and fresh veggies to processed food. But between going to market, picking out produce, preparing it, then throwing out the spoiled EVERY week, all it takes is one session of tossing some fries or mozzarella sticks on a baking sheet to fall back into familiar patterns.
That's the point I was trying to make yesterday, although I didn't get into the pattern part of it.

Just to take your point a bit further, it basically is a routine, and on top of that those wonderfully awful fried/sugar filled/baked foods themselves affect you chemically, drawing you inevitably back into their clutches with any moment of weakness. And some of us have been eating that stuff since childhood, because as hard as it is for twenty-somethings to believe, there actually was a time when pizza and pop and potato chips and hot dogs and kraft macaroni and cheese weren't evil. We didn't grow up with 24 hour fitness, dieting was a fad that was mostly for women, and generally the only people you ever saw running or biking were kids. Things have changed a lot, just in the last 20 years (and changed for the better, don't mistake what I'm saying...), more than somebody born in the 80s probably realizes. So what they might see as lazy or as a choice isn't really either one. Hell, I'm not sure I ever even heard the word "obesity" until the mid 90s.
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Here's an area where I know I'm different. I've always hated how I look, whether it was at 175 in my teens and some of my 20s, whether it was 245 in my late 20s, or at 215 now. I've run the gamut from athletic, to thin, to overweight, to obese, and regardless of what my weight or body composition was at the time there's never been a day in my life where I've felt comfortable in my own skin. And I know that's something that's hard to understand. Hell, it's hard for me to understand. That's the mental aspect that everybody wants to lump under "depression". And while diet and exercise can help, it doesn't fix it. I'm not ever going to magically wake up one morning brimming with confidence. Just not wired that way. Because whenever I look at myself, I only see what's wrong.
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I'm not going to comment about whether obesity is a disease or a lifestyle choice. I also don't blame others for their struggle to become less obese.

It does anger me when people make excuses for obesity (from the standpoint of "my obesity isn't affecting anything. It's my body). Yes, there is a study that says that obese people are less "costly" versus healthy people. But it's illogical. We are all better off if we can curb obesity, PERIOD. End of story. And while I don't believe in forced regulations (e.g. soda bans), it drives me nuts when people get defensive about things that are going to help us become healthier.

I believe people have choices and they are entitled to make whatever choices they want. But we as a society have become very, very irresponsible about steering people to the wrong choices. We are poorly educated food consumers, poorly educated about how to stay in shape, and worse off, we have built a society that enables this miseducation. That's the heart of the problem. I don't blame obese people, but it does frustrate me when obese people try to improve their lot and get bombarded with terrible advice and confusing labeling that make it impossible to improve themselves.
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People shouldn't overstate the depression/stifling aspect of overeating. For many, it's just status quo.

I never reached the heights of a 445# frame., but I did get up to 270-275#. I never felt a compulsion to eat, but we had nice restaurants near work and it was a nice break to sit down to a generous tasty meal and chat at mid day.

I went from 180-240# in college and was happy as a clam throughout. There was just a cafeteria with tons of shitty food available 24/7.

People aren't cowering somewhere eating compulsively to mask mental pain. They simply aren't thinking about it. Too large of a meal with too much fat and too many calories is simply too routine and too tasty to resist day in, day out. Processed food pops out of the fridge and heats right up, veggies have to be chopped mixed and cooked, and go bad within the week. It's a pain in the ass to eat healthy. I know because I actually PREFER salads and fresh veggies to processed food. But between going to market, picking out produce, preparing it, then throwing out the spoiled EVERY week, all it takes is one session of tossing some fries or mozzarella sticks on a baking sheet to fall back into familiar patterns.

I'm now back down to 195#, but it took a volitional realization that I HATED how I looked and an extended period of nearly no caloric intake [never did exercise, didn't have the time].

In sum, for many overeating is a default not a proactive effort. The proactive effort is NOT overeating.
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Good post. To put it simply... losing weight is hard. Motivating yourself to go from very obese to fit is extremely, extremely hard.

We have a society have made losing weight a massive undertaking. Which makes it close to impossible if you're very obese. We don't know how to cook anymore, we've become too reliant on our cars, and you need a PhD to understand how to read food labels. In addition to that, we've made buying the right foods so ridiculously expensive while you can buy a cheeseburger at McDonald's for $1.

So I sympathize with obese people. It's very hard to be proactive, commit, and continue that commitment. I would think and expect that keeping that motivation would be easier if the process was easier, but it's not. It would also be easier if we had the right things in place by preventing people from becoming obese in the first place (e.g. teaching kids how to grow their own vegetables). We don't. We've made a hard thing to do border on the impossible.

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That's the point I was trying to make yesterday, although I didn't get into the pattern part of it.

Just to take your point a bit further, it basically is a routine, and on top of that those wonderfully awful fried/sugar filled/baked foods themselves affect you chemically, drawing you inevitably back into their clutches with any moment of weakness. And some of us have been eating that stuff since childhood, because as hard as it is for twenty-somethings to believe, there actually was a time when pizza and pop and potato chips and hot dogs and kraft macaroni and cheese weren't evil. We didn't grow up with 24 hour fitness, dieting was a fad that was mostly for women, and generally the only people you ever saw running or biking were kids. Things have changed a lot, just in the last 20 years (and changed for the better, don't mistake what I'm saying...), more than somebody born in the 80s probably realizes. So what they might see as lazy or as a choice isn't really either one. Hell, I'm not sure I ever even heard the word "obesity" until the mid 90s.Here's an area where I know I'm different. I've always hated how I look, whether it was at 175 in my teens and some of my 20s, whether it was 245 in my late 20s, or at 215 now. I've run the gamut from athletic, to thin, to overweight, to obese, and regardless of what my weight or body composition was at the time there's never been a day in my life where I've felt comfortable in my own skin. And I know that's something that's hard to understand. Hell, it's hard for me to understand. That's the mental aspect that everybody wants to lump under "depression". And while diet and exercise can help, it doesn't fix it. I'm not ever going to magically wake up one morning brimming with confidence. Just not wired that way. Because whenever I look at myself, I only see what's wrong.Yep.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:41 PM   #132
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If a person's condition improves by simply being locked in a room for a month while being fed bread and water then it's not a disease.


I hate to admit, but this thought has run through my mind often as well. I see a morbidly obese person and think "Damn, if that person was shipwrecked on an island with nothing but fresh water, they'd still survive for over a month." What a transformation that would be.......
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The fact this epidemic is such a recent phenomenon really ends any discussion it's a "disease"
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The fact this epidemic is such a recent phenomenon really ends any discussion it's a "disease"
Good point, and the struggle is figuring out... given the constraints, how can we solve the problem.

How do you reduce obesity when you have "big food" using deceptive labeling? How do you convince people to make better food, when they don't know how to cook? How do you convince frugal people to buy better food when good food is unbelievably expensive? How do you convince people to stay on diets and exercise programs when: 1) they fail because they're not reading labels right; 2) they fail because they got suckered into some sham diet or exercise plan; 3) they fail because they don't have the money to pay for a trainer?

For example... I'm not a big fan of running. And I don't get people's obsession with it. If you can do it consistently, good for you. But too many people think that running an hour a day is the best way to lose weight. So much miseducation out there about how to keep yourself in good shape.
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We are talking about people who are obese, not 10 lbs over weight.

Jesus Dane, I thought your reading comprehension was better than that.





You know how I feel about this. Depression and emotional issues ARE real and should be treated. Lumping obesity as a whole into a disease is ridiculous as you already stated.

Again, this isn't me bashing on people who have gone through or are going through tons of issues because I myself haven't ever had to go through any of it. This is about the fact we know exactly what causes obesity, there isn't a magic secret. Can it be the by product of another disease? Sure. Is it largely related to a disease for most of the population? No.
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